For Sweden and Germany all (guess >99%) of the french speakers speak english way better then french. The amount of english we're exposed to is so massive and the french is basically non-existent.
This is such a useless egoistic move from the french, just accept that english is the lingua franca.
I’m french and most of the content i watch is also in english, made mostly by americans with an american point of views and ways of resolving problems. Sometime in british english with british point of view.
I think it’s sad that that you don’t seem to realize that it’s a problem that most of the content we are exposed comes from a single culture.
As for the move, it’s totally useless, and if they wanted to be strongest against english they should have said “we’ll only accept communication in french or german” but that would have meant most of the communications would have been in german.
Wouldn't you listen to more content (news, movies...) from European countries, if it was in a language you understand, that being English?
I'm in EU and would love for English to be the de facto language.
Why does it seem to be impossible for other cultures to compete with the Americans in the realm of movies, tv shows, music, etc.? Is it just a matter of money? Couldn’t the EU fund their own version of Hollywood?
It's actually not that hard to completely ban Hollywood from your watching for a while. Especially now with netflix and co. Honestly, from a German speaking pov, I don't see this being true anymore today.
I'm quite disillusioned about the future of the Union because of ridiculous stunts like this.
Using English exposes people to a certain way of thinking that is more linked to a set of cultures or traditions. It's an undeniable fact, both semantics and linguistics teach us that.
But if the aim is to help politicians think from a different perspective, French is a bad choice. If that was the purpose, a reasonable choice would be to opt for languages related to cultures of more practical rationality.. German or Scandinavian languages
Of course it's the French politicians who have the nerve to try impose their language. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that French culture is one of the most pedantic and nationalistic in Europe, to the detriment of the other members.
>a reasonable choice would be to opt for languages related to cultures of more practical rationality
That's essentialist nonsense. How are German or Scandinavian cultures more « practically rational » in an empirical sense ? Is there anything to it beyond short-sighted stereotypes ? That's not even getting to the fact that rationalism and positivism have French input stamped all over it, with German philosophy generally pulling in the exact opposite direction.
> The main contributions in rationalism and empiricism are not French.
Are you certain of this? I can think of many contributions to rationalism and empiricism made by French speakers that I feel are important. The metric system, for instance, was in large part a French project [01].
Here are a few French rationalists and empiricists that came to my mind when I read your comment:
Alain Aspect
Contemporary exerimentalist known for work in quantum optics [02]
Louis de Broglie
Quantum physicist known for pioneering wave-particle duality [03]
Nicolas de Condorcet
Mathematician and leading figure of the enlightenment [04]
Rene Descartes
Philosopher and mathematician known for the Cartesian co-ordinate system [05]
Pierre de Fermat
Mathematician known for his eponymous last theorem [06]
Joseph-Louis Lagrange
Mathematician and astronomer known for Lagrangian mechanics and Lagrange points in astronomy [07]
Pierre-Simon Laplace
Polymath known for Laplace's Demon, among much else [08]
Antoine Lavoisier
Experimental chemist who named hydrogen and oxygen [09]
Blaise Pascal
Mathematician and inventor of an early mechanical calculator [10]
Louis Pasteur
Chemist and microbiologist who developed the germ theory of disease and invented Pasteurisation [11]
Henri Poincare
Mathematician, theoretical physicist and engineer [12]
"The main contribution in rationalism and empiricism are not French" does not equal "French speakers did not contribute relevant knowledge in rationalism or empiricism"
Hindu and Greek philosophers, Islamic golden age, Italian renaissance, British empiricism, Scottish Enlightenment, Austrian/German empiricism, US Pragmatism, ...
I'm not trying to neglect French rationalists and empiricists. Of course they exist, ... together with the many other scientists, philosophers, mathematicians, ... from many other cultures. Each single culture contributed less than the sum of the others simply because rationalism and empiricism are the fruits of global knowledge.
When detailing reasons for pushing the adoption of French in Europe, Macron acknowledged the work of Victor Hugo, who "believed that French would be the language of Europe, would today perhaps be a little disappointed" and promoted the re-examination of past colonialism in Africa, seeking to use the language as a tool to "reset a complex history in the continent".
The reasons for pretending the use of French in Europe are nationalistic. In an incident, European diplomats defined "overly dramatic, a statement of anger that clearly need no translation" when a French diplomat left his chair empty after the Council decided to use only-English in a working group.
This development was foreseen in 2017 (pre-Brexit) when Mario Monti said "The EU, when the UK leaves, should take the decision of upgrading the use of the English language in EU affairs. I think we should upgrade the ways we use English and it should become the language of the EU. I exaggerate a bit - there should be a bit of French. It will be a very appropriate gesture to the UK. It would help us Europeans to become more competitive by using fewer languages."
The statements of Mario Monti was pragmatic, it defines an issue and propose a solution. The behaviour of French diplomats is stubborn and nationalistic.
I wouldn't dispute much of what you wrote above, but I do think the French contribution to empiricism and rationalism qualifies as major (difficult as these things are to measure), and that that contribution is at least similar to the other large European nations.
I understand there is a common perception that French academic culture has literary preoccupations, but I don't think the idea that those preoccupations have disadvantaged French science holds up to much scrutiny, much as one might want it to after listening to a fruitless monologue about Derrida.
It's heartening to me that there are people in the EU arguing in favour of pragmatic gestures of friendship to the UK as you point out; I'm all for it and hope it is continued and mutual, regardless of whether the UK is legally part of the organisation.
I think that is your personal interpretation and I am surprised at how angry your comment is.
I lived in the Netherlands, worked for an international organization and I still have a lot of friends who works (or worked) in Brussels. Few comments:
1. The level of profentiency in foreign language of people working for the European institutions is orders of magnitude higher than readers of HN. Not too mention translators. It's not rare to meet people speak 6 languages totally fluently. Switching languages for some working documents is almost a non-event beyond signaling. There will be zero impact for the rest of us.
2. I totally support a Europe where people speak foreign languages beyond English.
Which circles do you wonder in that you do not rarely meet people who speak 6 languages fluently? Maybe I misunderstood, and you meant this for professional translators? I think I've yet to come across one such case in my life, and I live in Norway, where you can "cheat" by counting Norwegian, Swedish, and Danish as three separate, and English you get for free.
I'm German with significantly better command of the English language than French, but I don't at all mind that France is trying to popularize French. I don't want to live in a language mono-culture and it's sad that so much focus has been on English solely.
The appeal to the popularity of English is entirely circular. Obviously you're exposed to more English if nobody makes an effort to use another language. Not an argument against changing that state of affairs.
This is such a useless egoistic move from the french, just accept that english is the lingua franca.