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Even the most extreme proponents of the 2nd amendment have examples of it working

The various police forces during the capital seige - in January, remember how that was this year - said they used less force because the participants were armed and knew they could shoot back

Their whole thing is that they will make the state think twice, whereas the peaceful and unarmed protestors get knocked around with no recourse

Without examples, its easy to think they are advocating for actually killing government officials with their guns in order to get their way, but after a year of examples I can at least say I have experienced competing and conflicting ideas in action




I don’t buy this argument. One of the reasons police are quicker to open fire on people here in the US is because so many people have guns.

Countries with fewer guns have fewer armed police officers and fewer policemen shootings.


Yes, fire on individuals, not on groups.

These are separate issues. All Americans experience a collective punishment from law enforcement because they might have "a" gun on them.


> The various police forces during the capital seige - in January, remember how that was this year - said they used less force because the participants were armed and knew they could shoot back

I think this is mostly inaccurate? The Jan 6 protestors/rioters mostly left their guns at home due to fear of D.C.‘s strict gun laws. Even the oathkeepers planned to keep their guns in Virginia and ferry them over by boat only once “called up as militia”.

The Capitol police are used to dealing with protestors and demonstrators and have never opened fire on a crowd with live ammo before. The one time it did look like a rioter (Ashlii Babbit) was going to get too close to members of Congress they used their firearm without hesitation.


DC Metro Police were also there

If I find the quotes again from officer(s) interviews I’ll link you


The ACLU’s mission isn’t about defending the constitution, plenty of other organizations step up for that. Their scope includes all those liberties which don’t show up on the constitution which is a much larger issue.

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as”

Many people just have a problem with word except on that line and so many other places in society. As such the ACLU’s goal is to push for improvements not simply defend the current situation.


Oh wow second amendment rights make it more easy for right wing extremists to overthrow our democracy? Surely the bastion of personal liberty!


And also left wing extremists, secessionists, centrists, people afraid of 5G

Americans have guns

Right wingers showed up with them and then said it was left wingers, who do also own them




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