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Freenode and Fosshost Partner to Empower FOSS (freenode.net)
14 points by wut42 on June 2, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 7 comments



looks like fosshost is freenode v2 - management selling out a community that volunteers under them built without consulting them. f in the internet relay chat


Just noticed but the fosshost.org announcement has been posted earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27366364


1w ago: FOSSHOST renounces its ties to freenode: https://fosshost.org/news/libera-chat ( https://archive.is/eOwnR )

3d ago: FOSSHOST continues to announce financial dire straits: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27329890

Today: FOSSHOST announces partnership with freenode Ltd, taking "no strings" donations in return for shouldering freenode's hosting costs. https://fosshost.org/news/freenode ( https://archive.is/AON8V )

After a disasterous attempt to buy his way into free software by strongarming freenode's former staff out of the picture, Andrew Lee is carrying out an incredibly blatant attempt to launder his public image, and engage in shell games with his money to pretend that freenode continues to prosper under "honest" community support.

Andrew has approached a financially vulnerable organisation with an as-yet untarnished reputation, and has redirected his funding of freenode through a recently incorporated holding company, "donating" to them, and then FOSSHOST paying the money directly back out to maintain freenode's infrastructure.

I could almost believe this was an honest attempt, other than for the kickbacks: FOSSHOST staff are considering[1] skimming the donations for their own gain, and have also received staff privileges on the IRC network, something never before offered to any hardware sponsor in return for their support.

freenode truly is dead, seizing 700 channels from foss projects thinking about or exercising their right to move their community elsewhere. However you frame it, a hostile removal of channels with zero notice is not supportive of the foss projects Andrew claims to love. These are the true colours: that free software projects should suffer that Andrew's investment, freenode, might not bleed users quite so fast, by disrupting their self governance.

The abuse of a company about to go bust, offering them a way out if they only allow themselves to be a puppet org to spend his money how he would like, without his name being attached, and them make them complicit with the option to skim the donations and receive on-IRC benefits is disgusting.

[1]: https://fosshost.org/news/freenode-faq ( https://archive.is/QPkRJ )


Using funds to pay for colo costs (and possibly staff) is not "skimming". The entire purpose of raising funds is to pay for things.


from the site:

""" You say you are volunteers, but now you have all this money. Are you keeping some? Bonuses?

We're thinking about it. """

Bonuses for the lads off the back of a major donation deal isn't colo costs or sustainable staff hiring. I have no problem with either of those.


You've taken that sentence out of context. ;)


Given that Andrew Lee has shown a history of abusing his power over open source properties in the context of an open-source-focused organization that he donated to, and subsequently assumed functional control over,

I would be interested in what assurances, governance-wise, legally-speaking, and technically-speaking, FOSSHost can give that Andrew Lee, having donated now to this next open-source-focused organization, will, and can, exercise absolutely no functional control over it, ever.




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