1. Turkey had all sorts of controls in the past, and they will return. There are soft curbs in place right now. Yes, people subvert them, just like they __criminally__ circumvented controls in the past. [to your point about being a criminal, holding dollars in many countries is a crime, and many are committing that heinous crime as we speak]
Scams: Permissionless systems can be trivially used by anyone, and yes there will be bad actors.
How do you have a permissionless system that only allows good guys? The best I've heard so far is collaborative deanonymization, but it is very much work in progress.
Governance: Proof of Work is an attempt to minimize governance. Proof of Stake is governance by plutocracy, but with emojis. I agree if an alternative to PoW can be found - it should be improved, but PoS is a regression to the status quo, not an improvement.
Ethereum itself is nothing but a quasi-corporation with all the politics that entails, it even has founders, foundation, ,trademarks, conferences, venture arm.
The best thing Satoshi has done is disappearing. It is for this reason I find Ethereum objectionable, the politics. Even a stupid exchanged-sponsored chain like BSC is more legitimate in that context, at least they do not pretend to be decentralized and have no control over the chain. Cringy as it sounds, Binance is more honest than Ethereum sometimes, lol.
I think Bitcoin community remains cognizant of devs being nothing but potentially another failure point and an attack vector, should they become compromised. This is why everyone is so big on running their own nodes, and only making thoughtful consensus changes.
Block size wars (they weren't debates) were really just a battle over who gets to control the protocol, and thankfully status quo prevailed.
I remain optimistic on Bitcoin's future for that reason - it could withstand a coordinated attack driven by quite intelligent people with large budgets. Today, it likely can only be attacked by a nation state, and not just in 51% sense, but also social attacks on miners, devs, and so on.
Lighting network: I'm not sure I understand your criticisms. It is exactly designed for smaller payments, which is why 70 million float isn't that big of a deal. Bitrefill does a good amount of LN volume, and I think it's use will pick up with exchanges coming on board. Bitcoin as a daily transaction currency is simply too nascent, still in the speculative growth stage. LN transactions are not decoupled from Bitcoin, and are in fact un-published properly formatted Bitcoin transactions. The security model is different, but I'd say it's certainly acceptable for payments up to 50-100k USD if not higher. Much work left to be done, but it is working.
Most of actual Lightning currency usage is in the third world. If USDC is cool - you must agree LN is doing good works too.
As for the common saying "fix the money, fix the world", I believe Bitcoin is far too early here, this may take decades or maybe even hundreds of years. I certainly do not expect it in my lifetime, but maybe my grandchildren will have additional freedoms. Just like we today take freedom of speech and association for granted, many of our grandparents did not. In fact, I believe people today gotten so soft and weak that our vigilance is slipping and we are slowly rolling back right into neofeudalism.
The point is to separate state power and money.Just like we separated state and religion, and it was great, I believe separating money will be just as beneficial.After all, money isn't just speech, it is also a religion of sorts.
I don't see this as an innovation in finance, get rich scheme, opportunity to make a quick buck, inflation hedge, good investment, etc.
I see it as a transformational quantum leap humanity can make, something on the scale of the printing press. That is the reason why I support it. It is one of the most important public goods one can be working on today.
It can fail, which would mean we are not yet ready for that stage in development and Bitcoin was before its time.
We must indeed become multi-planetary species if we are to survive and travel to other stars. Do you see interstellar species trade by using money issued by some banking cartel? shiny rocks of the Au79 element?
Money is information. Bitcoin is a very solid attempt at that.
Yeah, so I argue all the time that lumping in places like the US/UK/France/Germany with places like Turkey or Venezuela doesn't make sense because of the differences, and that governments can just use the violence monopoly to coerce people to do whatever. In other words I argue that the "crypto fixes monetary policy mismanagement" argument is pretty ignorant. But on the other hand, my argument is also ignorant because:
- US/UK/France/Germany mismanage monetary policy tremendously: recessions kill people, there's deep income inequality directly linked to monetary policy, etc.
- Crypto does actually insulate against inflation (I mean, kind of anyway), and the scam of the day doesn't make that any less true.
- People do use crypto for useful things--USDC in Venezuela as you point out is useful, and to the people it's useful for, it's definitely not nothing.
--Scams--
I'll admit scams aren't as bad now. But on the other hand I think a lot of that is because Western governance and money got involved and people went to jail.
--Being Permissionless--
The way I think of this is based on social contract theory, i.e. I strongly believe that permissionless systems evolve into systems of coercion, because people will amass power and use it against each other. Maybe that's getting a 51%, mining, controlling exchanges, controlling the use of or purchase of crypto, etc. To kind of skip to the end here, I don't believe the libertarian ideal of individual, free actors can ever exist, because the benefits of teaming up and coercing are so dominating.
So I'm "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" on this. If we're faced with roving bands of street crypto gangs, we should just make a bigger gang and establish some rules. That's basically a government or a bank, and then like, maybe we'll feel like we wasted a lot of time. Unclear.
--Governance and politics--
The definition of politics is "the process by which more than one person makes decisions". They're pretty inescapable. And so is governance, FWIW. That said, to your point, I think you can do a lot to dilute it. You get into kind of a "choose your tyranny" situation in these cases though like, do you choose:
- Tyranny of the majority vs. the minority (collective action vs. individual rights)
- Tyranny of the state vs. the mob (central vs. diffuse authority)
I don't know exactly where Bitcoin lands on this, tbh. On the one hand you could say it's diffuse authority because of PoW, or because of the consensus algorithm, or the "no middleman" stuff. On the other, you can say that because devs control the protocol, it's super centralized. Suffice it to say it's complicated.
--Other coins--
The refrain I often hear is "Bitcoin is just a protocol, anyone's free to start their own separate network", but that hasn't been successful. It suggests that what's important is not necessarily the protocol, but the network effects of so many people using the network. Like, there are better coins out there (Monero, Zcash, probably ETH) and coins using the exact same protocol you could buy into for way less than Bitcoin. These all test the hypothesis that the protocol matters more than the market cap or user count. But the test came back, and the results are that network effects and market cap pretty much explain everything. More than anything, this makes me pessimistic about cryptocurrencies. I think it's beyond clear Bitcoin is a speculation casino, altcoins are for hipsters, we've built an abominable bubble, and we've burned an insane amount of carbon to do it.
--Lightning--
Well, I guess I'm absolutist about financial transactions. I really can't imagine building a(nother) financial network that has unfixable risks of fraud built in. One of the promises I most hoped blockchain tech delivered on was fixing fraud. But you really can't, Sybil is in tension with latency and availability (either 100% of the nodes agree something happened or there's room to take over enough nodes to commit fraud--sure at 99% it's very very hard, but that's not the same as impossible, but also that might be fine), and you have computational complexity problems besides, i.e. why would anyone volunteer to process transactions for free, which also costs them electricity or w/e.
More concretely, I just can't seem to set a limit in my head of what would be an acceptable amount of money to lose to Lightning fraud. Too low, like $5, and you drastically limit its utility. Too high, like $50, and you essentially can't use it in poor parts of Africa for example, where people aren't gonna risk a month's income on your dodgy protocol. Well, maybe they well as long as you don't tell them it's dodgy.
--Fix the money, fix the world--
I have never heard this, and I absolutely love it. But it actually made me think that maybe what really irks me about cryptocurrency is that it accepts the premise of capitalism. I actually think money is the problem. Like, when you think about the lengths people are going to to mine BTC, which is a system deliberately set up to get people to process transactions, it feels exactly like capitalism run amok. None of this is good, right, like no one thinks the state of BTC mining or the tenuousness of ETH PoS (don't get me started) is really what success looks like.
I just don't see how cryptocurrency fixes our social ills, and at the end of it, I can't help but think of it purely as a distraction from income inequality. I'm not super interested in fixing the banking/currency/investment system. I think people should get food, clothes, child care, shelter, health care, transportation, and education for free. Anything past that is a bonus, and I don't care what currency it's denominated in.
I think the cryptocurrency community named the villain right: investment bankers. But like, now the two communities are inseparable, and some of the most lauded people in the crypto community are essentially investment bankers, just in a handful of crypto commodities. Are average people getting rich from Bitcoin more than the already wealthy? It certainly doesn't seem like it to me.
So I think we need a little bit of a reset. There's clearly a lot of energy around this stuff, whether it's the crypto community, OWS, progressive Democrats, whatever. I think if we got our shit together and worked for big, structural change, we could really do something--in our lifetimes. But from where I sit, crypto ain't it.
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Scams: Permissionless systems can be trivially used by anyone, and yes there will be bad actors.
How do you have a permissionless system that only allows good guys? The best I've heard so far is collaborative deanonymization, but it is very much work in progress.
Governance: Proof of Work is an attempt to minimize governance. Proof of Stake is governance by plutocracy, but with emojis. I agree if an alternative to PoW can be found - it should be improved, but PoS is a regression to the status quo, not an improvement.
Ethereum itself is nothing but a quasi-corporation with all the politics that entails, it even has founders, foundation, ,trademarks, conferences, venture arm.
The best thing Satoshi has done is disappearing. It is for this reason I find Ethereum objectionable, the politics. Even a stupid exchanged-sponsored chain like BSC is more legitimate in that context, at least they do not pretend to be decentralized and have no control over the chain. Cringy as it sounds, Binance is more honest than Ethereum sometimes, lol.
I think Bitcoin community remains cognizant of devs being nothing but potentially another failure point and an attack vector, should they become compromised. This is why everyone is so big on running their own nodes, and only making thoughtful consensus changes.
Block size wars (they weren't debates) were really just a battle over who gets to control the protocol, and thankfully status quo prevailed.
I remain optimistic on Bitcoin's future for that reason - it could withstand a coordinated attack driven by quite intelligent people with large budgets. Today, it likely can only be attacked by a nation state, and not just in 51% sense, but also social attacks on miners, devs, and so on.
Lighting network: I'm not sure I understand your criticisms. It is exactly designed for smaller payments, which is why 70 million float isn't that big of a deal. Bitrefill does a good amount of LN volume, and I think it's use will pick up with exchanges coming on board. Bitcoin as a daily transaction currency is simply too nascent, still in the speculative growth stage. LN transactions are not decoupled from Bitcoin, and are in fact un-published properly formatted Bitcoin transactions. The security model is different, but I'd say it's certainly acceptable for payments up to 50-100k USD if not higher. Much work left to be done, but it is working.
Most of actual Lightning currency usage is in the third world. If USDC is cool - you must agree LN is doing good works too.
As for the common saying "fix the money, fix the world", I believe Bitcoin is far too early here, this may take decades or maybe even hundreds of years. I certainly do not expect it in my lifetime, but maybe my grandchildren will have additional freedoms. Just like we today take freedom of speech and association for granted, many of our grandparents did not. In fact, I believe people today gotten so soft and weak that our vigilance is slipping and we are slowly rolling back right into neofeudalism.
The point is to separate state power and money.Just like we separated state and religion, and it was great, I believe separating money will be just as beneficial.After all, money isn't just speech, it is also a religion of sorts.
I don't see this as an innovation in finance, get rich scheme, opportunity to make a quick buck, inflation hedge, good investment, etc.
I see it as a transformational quantum leap humanity can make, something on the scale of the printing press. That is the reason why I support it. It is one of the most important public goods one can be working on today.
It can fail, which would mean we are not yet ready for that stage in development and Bitcoin was before its time.
We must indeed become multi-planetary species if we are to survive and travel to other stars. Do you see interstellar species trade by using money issued by some banking cartel? shiny rocks of the Au79 element?
Money is information. Bitcoin is a very solid attempt at that.