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I feel like this article is pointing a gun at the wrong faces. These companies are most likely doing this as a form of social giving. The amounts involved are minuscule for the industry.

It touches on the question of rehabilitation but very superficially, when that should be the main point. Plenty of prison systems have voluntary work placement, not mandatory, and it benefits everyone.

Buried at the very end:

> In a series of interviews and surveys by the nonprofit Impact Justice for a six-part report on food in prisons, formerly incarcerated people reported widely varied experiences working in food production. In some cases, people said they received helpful training, enjoyed the fresh air, and snacked on food they grew. In other places, they found the jobs extremely difficult and were not allowed to eat the food they produced.




The choice for the prisoners is making $4.50 a day or sitting in their cell doing nothing to improve their life. Don’t act like this isn’t still exploitive to the point of it obviously being a false sense of choice —- especially with the BS that America will lock people up for. If a 14 year old kid in Alabama gets caught with a joint isn’t it convenient that the corporations in the state suddenly have access to a fresh new indentured servant — quite a nice replacement for slavery you guys have worked out for yourselves. If you want to see how civilized countries rehabilitate people see how prisons in Norway are run.


Yes, Alabama prisons are full of 14 years convicted of marijuana possession.


Alabama prisons are a crime against humanity.

https://eji.org/news/what-you-need-know-about-alabama-prison...


Nothing in your link about 14 year olds in prison for marijuana possession.


Instead of that exact case, how about 3278 non violent offenders serving life without parole?

https://www.aclu.org/report/living-death-life-without-parole...


Not that I agree with the sentences, but I always find these arguments a bit weak - “life without parole for drug possession”.

Well, they didn’t get life without parole for that conviction alone, it was that plus the other felonies they committed.


Read the pdf front to back and get back to me.


I won’t get all the answers as that pdf is clearly leaving things out.


What things, and how are you so certain?


> I feel like this article is pointing a gun at the wrong faces. These companies are most likely doing this as a form of social giving.

No, they're doing it because they know they can severely underpay these workers and treat them badly, knowing that they have no recourse to push back.

People who run such businesses rarely have any pure motive. It's all about the profit and they don't care who suffers in the pursuit of it.

Now if they'd provided the prisoners with a decent wage for their work, that would be a different matter, and indicative of some good intent. But none of these companies are going to do that, when they know they have a source of people they can continually exploit.


The companies are purchasing from a distributor. They don’t decide the pay or conditions just as they don’t for other suppliers. They probably only choose to purchase because of that label and price.


> were not allowed to eat the food they produced

This does seem like a cynical take. In most agriculture jobs this would be the case.


Not when you read the whole sentence. They're comparing working for the purpose of rehabilitation (in which case eating the food you grow is possible), to working in order to generate the prison a profit.


That may be "normal" but it's still fucked up.


In the same way that if you help make cars you can't have the cars.


This is called "alienation from your labour"

It is normal for somebody who grows veggies to be able to eat one.

It is normal for somebody who makes coffee, to be able to make themself a coffee.

It is normal for somebody who makes cars to be able to make a car for themself.

Our society of capitalism where you make these things for someone else and aren't permitted to have any is abnormal.


Is it normal for an aerospace engineer to be able to launch himself into space? I think your stance is quite irrational / ignores the complexity of modern society.


Your definitions of normal and abnormal seem entirely arbitrary.


Countries with better prison systems than the US rarely have private prisons involved in this quantity.


UK and NZ both have more private prisons snd I suppose they qualify in your eyes as better than US.


The UK has comparably large problems as well. I don't think NZ has many prisons at all, but I don't know about the situation there, don't know about their incarceration rate. It is still not a contest between countries, but if it pleases I will state that the US is awesome.


I'm not even from the states, just giving you some perspective because it often seems the American snob past time is shitting on their own country and making comparisons they know very little about.




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