The people who define it differently than you also use reason -- just a different line of reasoning. This is the entire issue with the phrase to begin with, there's no universal definition of what it means. It assumes a shared value system.
Almost everyone who fights anyone else believes that they are right and has a reason for it.
> This is the entire issue with the phrase to begin with, there's no universal definition of what it means. It assumes a shared value system.
True it's not precise language and maybe could have been better, but I think that would require a much larger post. Still I agree with it based on my value system.
> Almost everyone who fights anyone else believes that they are right and has a reason for it.
Sure, but at least my value system will have me not only not instigating a fight, but actively avoiding people that do.
For clarity, I _never_ attempt to avoid a well reasoned argument. You've made good points, and I thank you for doing so. :)
So, Vichy France? This is the type of stance that only makes sense in a world with no evil in it; do you believe that the US was wrong to fight the Nazis in the 1940s, for instance?
Vichy France was an ally of Nazi Germany that was betrayed.
>do you believe that the US was wrong to fight the Nazis in the 1940s
I did not say we should never fight, just not instigate. If not questioning the official narrative, it takes little effort to see that the US entered into WW2 defensively.
> On December 8, 1941, the United States Congress declared war (Pub.L. 77–328, 55 Stat. 795) on the Empire of Japan in response to that country's surprise attack on Pearl Harbor the prior day.
On 11 December 1941, four days after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the United States declaration of war against the Japanese Empire, Nazi Germany declared war against the United States,
Admittedly I don't believe the official narrative, and I also advocate for intellectual self defense.
For example, the US entered into WW1 after instigating the sinking of the lusitania.
> whether or not the passenger ship Lusitania was carrying munitions and therefore a legitimate target when it was sunk by a German submarine in May 1915 – has been solved in the affirmative by newly released government papers.
Not rar-rar we did the right thing in preemptively striking against `evil`.
I didn't want the US to enter Iraq to take out terrorists (that were never proven associated to Sadam), I didn't want the US to enter Libya to overthrow a ruler that wouldn't obey world trade systems rules, I didn't want the US to intervene in the Syrian civil war, and I don't want the US doing regime change in Belarus right now. https://congressionaldish.com/cd229-target-belarus/
Almost everyone who fights anyone else believes that they are right and has a reason for it.