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It's not hate. I don't want to pay 22$ for a 1$ product with bitcoin, when it gets popular.

I'm also not going to put my money in a joke coin like dogecoin.

I like the blockchain, but crypto is just an implementation of it and without a use-case currently ( blockchain has multiple use-cases though).

Instead of trying to go on the emotional side with "hate-train"?

Try to convince me with facts.

Ps. I owned crypto until 2017 and then sold it then, because i didn't see a valid use-case ( and 20 k was high enough for me)




Ive been using bitcoin since 2011ish i think, one of the first few people on bitcoin-otc first trade was $40 for 10 bitcoins (paid with paypal transfer funily enough) i must have bought and sold hundreds over years, still have few dozen

In some cases yeh bitcoin has not lived up to initial promises, literally first line of satoshis paper is no longer valid, but it could yet be like early internet and take off (or something similar)

i wouldnt write it off but yeh you are also right its not what we thought it be, the whole store of value thing these days instead of currency


What do you think the endgame is? Gov bans and it becomes underground p2p store of value?


I presume you are not familiar with the Lightning Network? I suggest reading https://github.com/lnbook/lnbook


Who doesn't love worrying about "watchtowers" and "inbound liquidity"?


Are those hard concepts to grasp?


Given how breathtakingly simple the space actually is, inventing big words and forcing other people to learn them really only serves to stroke an ego.


"watchtowers" is a big word now? as for "inbound liquidity", I guess you can argue it's big because it's a compound word, but it's relatively easy to understand ("liquidity" is a standard term in finance, for instance) and I can't think of how you can shorten it further without reducing comprehension.


Compared to cash in my wallet, a credit card, or cryptocoins held on chain? Yes.


Yes I am, but not in specifics. It's already been mentioned since 2017...

Fee's are still high. Crypto still can't handle a lot of traffic as far as i'm aware today.


You should try Bitcoin Cash (BCH), the version of Bitcoin that actually works as it was meant to. It has subcent fees by design.


You mean it's not controlled by those who mine the most? Which would be miners in CH that could execute a 51% attack? :)

And what about the whole tether scam?

There are more problems to crypto currency than that any crypto solves now.


Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin, mining works the same way it does on BTC.

I don't know what's going on with Tether, but it definitely looks iffy to me.


> Ps. I owned crypto until 2017 and then sold it because i didn't see a valid use-case.

Do you think maybe you have some biases against it now, because it would have made you a lot of money if you held on to it?

Nobody is paying 22$ for a 1$ product, I'm not sure how you can even remotely come to that while ignoring all the layer 2 developments.

There's a ton of really useful projects happening on DeFi, you can see the blockchain data for yourself and see that a lot of people are using it, maybe you don't see the use case, but that doesn't mean there isn't any.


I actually made a lot of money with it. So I don't think I'm biased because of that. It dropped to 4k afterwards ( I could have purchased again, but if something falls from my watchlist, i don't care about it anymore).

What is probably biasing me, is that I had a digital magazine and the #1 hit was for "how to recover Bitcoin password".

Which also leads me to my conclusion: "There's currently no replacement for a official and trusted centralized authority in Crypto".




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