The traffic is really fucking bad, to be honest - I've been considering moving back to metro Atlanta post-pandemic (grew up in Gwinnett County, currently up in NYC, still go back to visit 2x a year) and it's the biggest concern I have with taking a local job. It's definitely as bad as LA or Houston (and the pure sprawl seems to match the latter). I'd probably try to rely on MARTA and that's tricky to do even if you want to.
My sister now lives in Decatur and I've been looking at some of the apartments near the MARTA stations there, and they're unfortunately mostly exclusively new luxury buildings (which I am very lucky to be able to afford on my current salary, but maybe not at a local job, or an adjusted-for-relocation remote one).
Frustrating how there's so little walkable development around the MARTA stations other than Decatur's, and what there is is so expensive. Of course, I could deal with a five minute park and ride, but it's kinda the principle of the thing.
It’s getting better, but you do have to pay for what you get. MARTA is partnering with developers to build housing in some of the underused parking lots around intown stations. They’ve done this at Edgewood/Candler Park (10 minutes to Downtown, 20 to Midtown) and just announced a project for the King Memorial Station (5 minutes to Downtown, 15 to Midtown).
Also, unlike many transit systems, MARTA lets you bring a bike on busses and trains, so you can extend your effective transit range a bit if you are able to bike.
The sprawl of most of the Sunbelt cities (Atlanta, Houston, Phoenix) seems absolutely unlivable to me. A tiny historic core just engulfed by tens of miles of car dependent tract housing and strip malls, all strung together by 8 lane highways is a nightmare to me. You must have to live in your car to get anywhere interesting.
Obviously that doesn't stop people from moving there but I am always shocked more walk-able dense development hasn't taken root.
I live in Phoenix and had the same worry when moving here. I'm in the suburbs, and have a fairly long commute with my current job (well, we're still WFH, but it _was_ fairly long). Maybe I can shed some light on one way of living in such an area.
One key, in my suburb area there's reasonably sized community parks all over. Shortly I'll take a 30 minute after-lunch walk, at the park that's a few houses down and big enough for a 30-minute walking loop.
Commute times CAN be long, but don't have to be. I have no idea why motorcycles aren't more used, especially in areas where there's no real winter. In CA you can lane split and _really_ cut down commute times. Here in AZ motorcyclists can't yet split lanes, but we can use the HOV lane. Cuts my commute time in half.
Further, Phoenix doesn't have a great downtown area anyway. There's plenty of interesting restaurants and shops spread throughout the valley. I just don't have to go "across town" very often, so the sprawl isn't that big of a deal.
Lastly, I can be in downtown Scottsdale in 30 minutes if I want, but I can also be in alone in nature, with likely no one around me for miles, in about 45.
> I have no idea why motorcycles aren't more used, especially in areas where there's no real winter.
As a motorcycle rider myself, I think you simply don't understand how bad it gets in ATL (both during summer and winter).
I currently live in Seattle, and it rains quite often, but it is just a drizzle most of the time, and I can still ride quite comfortably. Summer is a bit too hot at times, but nothing wild. Winters are fine too, aside from those very rare snow days.
Before moving to Seattle, I used to live in ATL, and I can tell you I would never ride a motorcycle there for multiple reasons.
1. It doesn't rain as often in ATL as it does in Seattle, but when it does, it comes out of nowhere and it pours buckets. Impossible to ride, even driving a car feels extremely risky with those rains.
2. Winters in ATL tend to be colder than in Seattle a lot of times (not averaged out, but on a day-to-day basis; e.g., one day in January you wear a winter coat, a week after you wear shorts and a tshirt, and another week later you are back to your winter coat), and summers are always much much hotter and much more humid. Weather swings much stronger in both directions. Humidity is a total killer. Riding in ATL during summer is pretty much impossible, unless you invest into cooling solutions (like cooling vests and such, which barely work for longer than 20 minutes at a time, as I found out from my own experience). You mention Phoenix, but the crucial difference is that air in Phoenix is very dry, which is much better for riding (or being outside in general). I witnessed 95F+ temps in Seattle (which also has dry air) a few times, and didn't even blink an eye and was able to stay comfortably outside. In ATL, I couldn't stand being outside even for a few mins once the temps climbed above 75F. Overall, I would say ATL has way way less rideable days than Seattle, and that's despite the Seattle rain.
3. Last, but not the least, drivers. While this isn't the main factor in my decision to never ride in ATL, it could be for a lot of people. Drivers are very aggressive, with many coming from very rural or suburban GA, driving giant trucks and having some animosity towards motorcycle riders specifically. I am not joking about the last one, I legitimately heard multiple people claim they wished it was legal to hit motorcycle riders on the road. But again, this point is just a minor one for me, as it is much more subjective than the first two and can be just written off as my personal experience aka anecdata.
With that in mind, I just want to say that this is not my critique of ATL as a city overall, just when it comes to riding a motorcycle there. If ATL manages to get the career opportunities for devs going with all those tech companies opening big offices there, and it all succeeds, I would consider moving back, despite the weather. ATL has quite a lot of things worthy of praise and appreciation that I miss while living in Seattle.
The key is don't live in a suburb. There are plenty of neighborhoods in Atlanta proper that you can buy into that will allow you to get anywhere else in the city in 20 minutes, give or take.
> I am always shocked more dense development hasn't taken root.
Because it inevitably butts up against people’s desire to not live near lower socioeconomic classes who may not be able to afford a car centric life. See the prevalence of school rankings (proxy for parental wealth) in real estate websites.
Older cities or older areas within cities with dense construction were grandfathered in, but I doubt we’ll see another new city like that in the US. The primary way we separate us from them is with unwalkable distances.
I'm in Decatur too! I grew up in the suburbs, and after having lived in the city, there's no way in hell I'm moving outside the perimeter. Unless, it's to another state.
I work remotely to avoid any and all traffic.
I'm happy to see larger tech companies planting some roots here.
from my limited experience of atlanta and houston, both seem worse traffic-wise than LA (which i know well). their traffic seems to be bad nearly everywhere, whereas traffic in LA has lots of hotspots, mostly in wealthy areas (coast and hills), where the demand for (sparse) housing has equilibriated poorly with insatiable demand for roads and parking. in the denser parts of LA, public transit and more walkable neighborhoods have kept traffic somewhat in check (bad maybe at rush hour, but not all the time).
My sister now lives in Decatur and I've been looking at some of the apartments near the MARTA stations there, and they're unfortunately mostly exclusively new luxury buildings (which I am very lucky to be able to afford on my current salary, but maybe not at a local job, or an adjusted-for-relocation remote one).
Frustrating how there's so little walkable development around the MARTA stations other than Decatur's, and what there is is so expensive. Of course, I could deal with a five minute park and ride, but it's kinda the principle of the thing.