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> German Chancellor Angela Merkel objected to the decisions, saying on Monday that lawmakers should set the rules governing free speech and not private tech companies.

This is not about free speech, this is about who holds the power of regulating it.


The first amendment never anticipated the public square to be privately owned. Unfortunately I feel things will have to get much worse before people start listening to the adults in the room again, and enact sensible reforms.


There is a case precedent of a privately owned public space being subject to the First Amendment. Who knows if that would hold up when applied to the internet, something about holding state-level powers... if the platform was declared as a monopoly, would that apply?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Community_Access_Cor...


When the first amendment was written, the only organized means of widely disseminating information were the government, religious organizations, and private publishers. The last two, of course, were regarded as a vital balance to the first, but (as far as I know) no-one suggested that the freedoms that came to be enumerated in the amendment required these two channels to be compelled to disseminate whatever screed some arbitrary person came up with. The Federalist Papers, for example, were published because the owners of several newspapers chose to do so.


What would sensible reforms looks like in your opinion?


People should have legal rights to contest bans of any kind, plus some controls to make sure you don't lose your private data (e.g. emails, chats) attached to your account when banned.

We don't want to make it expensive to moderate, but false positives should not go unresolved. This tips the balance a bit more in favour of consumers.


People should have legal rights to contest bans of any kind...

Without regulations on "allowed" reasons for bans, or some standard of proof, then a company can just respond to the contest with "Because we wanted to." and then what?


Repeal section 230 protections.... govern them like utility companies...


I think a private business should be able to chose their customers and decline business for any reason

A much bigger issue is the fact that public opinion and discourse happens exclusively on private platforms who each have their own interests


I think that they should then be held liable for any harm caused by what they choose to keep.


Which is ironically was eliminating section 230 would've have made happen. Repealing section 230 may have lead to the Disneyification of social media.


> I think a private business should be able to chose their customers and decline business for any reason

A private business should not be able to turn down your business because of the color of your skin, your race, your political background, ...


Not every body agree with that, a lot of people prefer private business should be able to chose their customers and decline business for any reason.


"I think a private business should be able to chose their customers and decline business for any reason"

can race or religion be used?


"when the looting starts the shooting starts"


Sounds like an OK policy to me.


"but.. but... inciting violence" is a very strange insult.


One point I hope all take away from this startling turn of events is just how thin our veneer of civilization really is.

There are truly dangerous voices afoot these days, but I don't think Trump among them.


I agree that Trump’s banning from Twitter is concerning, and that he did not incite violence. But that isn’t the underlying issue behind the suspension.

The problem is that a small but very eager group of fanatics have latched on to Trump’s Twitter postings as an excuse to react in violent, deluded ways. It no longer mattered what Trump said, the fanatics would twist its meaning and use it as an excuse for mayhem. (The media clearly have some culpability in this, as they intentionally put out outrageous interpretations in order to whip up controversy. But that’s another issue.)

And so, Twitter felt allowing the situation to continue would not be responsible. They weren’t attempting to silence Trump, but rather to deprive the delusional maniacs of fodder.


> try to find an actual source of President Trump calling for violence on Twitter. Don't believe everything you read.

On 9:53 PM, 28 May 2020 he said:

> ....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!

That phase isn't random and specific connotation[1].

[0] https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/twitter-...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_the_looting_starts,_the_s...


Clearly, the comment meant baseless violence. Violence to protect the helpless from violence is acceptable.


Can't tell if you're being sarcastic.


They asked for an example of Trump "calling for violence" on Twitter, which I provided. Your response: That's calling for violence but the GOOD kind.

It isn't up to Twitter to decide if an individual's brand of violence calling is the good or bad kind, it violates their policies.


Yet they didn’t suspend him for the specific example provided.

Also, I don’t think it’s so clear that threatening a defensive act could be called “inciting violence”.

If a group of criminals were parading through a neighborhood performing home invasions, I do not think it’d cross the line to warn them off with a public declaration of “our house has guns and we will protect ourselves”.


Most of the time people would look at from a legal or illegal standpoint

Trumps calls for Law and Order, to use legal remedies to clamp down on disorder in society, ethical or not, would not be considered by most a "Call for Violence"

However calls for protestors to "burn it all down" would be a "call for violence"

//for the record I do not think either should be censored, but I am a free speech absolutist so...




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