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Imagine if they did that for the US government, which is easier to compel since they are in US territory.



One nation is currently operating concentration camps and arrests and seizes the property of prominent citizens who criticize the government. Are you sure that's an equivalence you want to draw.


Like Guantanamo Bay or prosecution of Assange for his journalistic work to expose wrongdoing of government? Or maybe you’re talking about for-profit prison system and mass incarceration practices? But you’re probably talking about China, right?


Once again, that is a false equivalence.

No one imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay is a US Citizen and neither is Assange.

The US prison system is super fucked up but it is not the same as ethnic cleansing.

You are comparing apples to concentration camps.


> No one imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay is a US Citizen and neither is Assange.

I think you should I know I -- and probably others, are reading this as "b-b-but, they're not US Citizens, so they don't deserve [the same] rights"

I hope that's not what you mean, because if it is, that's really fucked up.


That's exactly how I read it. And that's probably the same position of lots of Americans, which in and of itself is quite fucked up.


We have thousands of brown people in camps along the border, in brutal conditions, without access to healthcare(unless you count forced sterilizations as healthcare). Do you consider those to be apples as well?


That forced sterilization claim was entirely debunked and was misleading to start with:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-were-mass-...

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/09/18/more-migrant-women-say-...

And 70% of those people in those camps are released within 30 days, often times within one week back to their country of origin (or given asylum).


Why are they in camps along the border? Why are the Uighur? Did the "brown people" break any laws? Did the Uighurs?

Are the "brown people" in camps along the border a single, ethnic minority? Are all "brown people" in the country subject to arrest and under surveillance just for being "brown"?


Well, yeah. People _are_ subject to arrest and surveillance for being brown/black in the US.


Not really more surveillance than anyone else. And the discrimination and mistreatment for people in the US is bad but nothing compared to camps.


No they aren't.


> No one imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay is a US Citizen and neither is Assange.

That's a glib retort.

A takeaway from your position is that it's ok so long as you do it to citizens of other countries.

> it is not the same as ethnic cleansing.

See the above.

That's always been the difference between the US and China and why so many countries have hatred for us and yet little to none for China. They don't fuck with other countries on the level that we do.


yes, I remember when I got my trump kidney from a poor anti-fascist liberal. /s

America is fucked up, that doesn't mean that other countries aren't also fucked up or aren't doing worse things with the data they collect.


Yea, but you live here and so you should think about the implications of this for yourself and your countrymen and not through the lens of international competition. That is a distraction.

Essentially, the China case proved Zoom is willing to cooperate with a nation state. The US is the nation state we live in, Zoom is HQ'd here. Therefore, the risk to us is high.

As an aside, the organ harvesting idea comes from the Fulan Gong, who are similar to Chinese Scientologists. It is not clear to me that their claims are accurate.


Yes. The Chinese state and the US state are both proven to spy on their citizens. For reference, see the heroic Edward Snowden's 2013 leaks.




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