> aborting in some circles is the same as murder so the "ethics" is a bit blurry here
You give those circles too much credit, it's like the mythical flat-earthers. I don't know anyone who feels that way and would expect only countries like saudi arabia to have problems with abortion (though I recently learned it's also state-dependent in the USA). Probably takes some time to get the people of countries in various states of development to get used to the idea, similar to rights for black people, euthanasia, gay marriage, transgender acceptance, etc. Everyone being equal and aiming to decrease worldsuck is a process that takes time for some reason, and I don't know of a country that has moved the other direction for a significant amount of time (heck, an unexpectedly large majority of babies around the world get vaccinations nowadays) so we'll get there eventually.
I don't really care about the politics of it. It doesn't really effect my life. I'm slightly supporting abortion because I'm concerned about the quality of life of the mother and father.
However I am saying that the ethical logic is sound. What's the difference between killing a man versus killing the man while he's still a baby inside his mother?
That being said there are scenarios where the above logic does get seemingly absurd. At what point is it considered murder? If I use a condom, I'm basically aborting sperm, because anyone of those little guys can become a full blown human being. Is that murder?
Note that I used the word "seemingly" it seems absurd but the question is worth considering as much as abortion itself. Is using a condom murder? Is abortion murder? I don't know. But the ethical paradox is real.
You give those circles too much credit, it's like the mythical flat-earthers. I don't know anyone who feels that way and would expect only countries like saudi arabia to have problems with abortion (though I recently learned it's also state-dependent in the USA). Probably takes some time to get the people of countries in various states of development to get used to the idea, similar to rights for black people, euthanasia, gay marriage, transgender acceptance, etc. Everyone being equal and aiming to decrease worldsuck is a process that takes time for some reason, and I don't know of a country that has moved the other direction for a significant amount of time (heck, an unexpectedly large majority of babies around the world get vaccinations nowadays) so we'll get there eventually.