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There are a lot of people in this industry that think that Apple should and will prevail because of the history of this model. We’ve also seen this movie before and it’s not like iOS and Android are the end of history. There will be new platforms.

The last thing we want is for App stores to be declared public regulated utilities. That would be a way to enshrine in law there are no new platforms for 50 years.


> There are a lot of people in this industry that think that Apple should and will prevail because of the history of this model.

I'd argue most of us are fed up with apple.

> it’s not like iOS and Android are the end of history. There will be new platforms.

No there won't be. Apple and Google have won this market for decades. This is why we have to fight for our rights to use our devices and distribute our software.

> The last thing we want is for App stores to be declared public regulated utilities.

That's what all of us should want. Stallman warned about this happening.

Fwiw, I can tell you're typing on an idevice because of the smart quotes. I've noticed this demographic tends to give Apple too much credit and ignores the evils they perpetrate against our industry and computing freedom.


I'm old enough to remember Stallman in the 80's and 90's and, thankfully, his version of freedom is one that the market has rejected in favor of a different sort of freedom: actually usable products and ecosystems. Most people are willing to tradeoff quite a lot for that. That's not evil, that is free choice.

His vision of freedom has worked in one area: where the users and developers greatly overlap, such as server software.


> sort of freedom: actually usable products and ecosystems

This is such newspeak. Apple devices and policies are oppressive, and it's ironic because they got to where they are on the back of open source.

It doesn't matter how pretty it is if you're trapped in a plastic Disneyland.

I'm glad you enjoy yours and all, but this company is ruining our field.


> Fwiw, I can tell you're typing on an idevice because of the smart quotes. I've noticed this demographic tends to give Apple too much credit and ignores the evils they perpetrate against our industry and computing freedom.

Sadly, the other mobile device is slightly more open but comes from the second worst company wrt to privacy.

So if i have to choose from two bad alternatives, I'll choose the one that at least works.


> I'd argue most of us are fed up with apple.

If this was true people would stop buying the devices.


I was referring to engineers. I've had the top upvoted comment in several of these Apple commentary threads and the responses tend to share my sentiment.

The average consumer doesn't understand the nuance of the issue; computing freedom doesn't weigh in on their purchase decision. Apple having a good product and Apple behaving as anticompetitive platform fascists have little to do with one another.

This is why we need to take the matter out of the hands of consumers and put it into the DOJ's care.


An iPhone isn’t a general purpose computer.



What is that supposed to show? I see a tightly controlled consumer appliance running polished end user software.

My children will have iPads, for sure, but I’m not going to fool myself about what they are.

They will also have raspberry PI’s and learn about general purpose computers that way.


Apple themselves call it a general computing device?

You can see that for iphones as well.


So what? Apple also say it’s not a monopoly.

If we are simply going to take Apple’s views as objective reality then why is anyone even discussing this?




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