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Perfect, you've moved the goalposts so that all prison systems across the world count as "concentration camps". Now you can use your fallacy to defend China's worst human rights abuses from any and all criticism, because you can claim that anyone's judgement is tainted by the mere existence of their own country's "concentration camp" prison system.

> All that is true is that the U.S. loves its very large prison system enough to not change it.

There have been literally hundreds of criminal justice reforms enacted in recent years, in all fifty states and at the federal level, covering all aspects of the American criminal justice system; drug laws, courts, bail, and yes prison reform. Guess which country the author of The New Jim Crow is from? I'll give you a hint if you need it. Criminal justice reform is a one of the most bitterly fought issues in American politics, and in case you haven't noticed, the fights are recently getting more serious.

It's clear to me that, regarding this particular topic, you have no idea what you're talking about.

> It has gotten so large that it removes a leg to stand on when criticizing other countries for imprisoning people.

Whose "leg" are you talking about? Mine? Michelle Alexander's? It may surprise you to learn that the US is home to over two hundred million adults, who do not all think alike or speak with the same voice. It may also surprise you that many American who are passionate about prison reform here at home are also passionately opposed to China's ongoing ethnic cleansing. I can confidently predict that those people will continue to speak out against China regardless of mensetmanusman's disapproval.




Prison reform has been talked about for decades, there has supposedly been progress, but it hasn’t looked too promising in the data:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_...

I think we both agree that the US would have better standing on this issue if we didn’t have the highest per capita imprisonment.

China would almost have to 10x their imprisonment rates to overtake us...

Sorry to make you angry about this.


You're completely missing the point. Yes, the American criminal justice system needs a lot more reform, and yes progress on civil rights issues is painfully slow. No shit, congratulations for noticing.

There are millions of people in this world who care deeply about humans rights, and these people are the only reason any progress is ever made, whether in America or China or anywhere else. Do you really think you're helping by shitting on them because the progress hasn't yet achieved your satisfaction?

If I may offer a suggestion, either do something to join the fight, or shut the fuck up about it.




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