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Black people are convicted of disproportionate amounts of crimes which is different than committing a disproportionate amount of crimes. Or at least as disproportionate an amount.

The police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often. Blacks are also more likely to be poor which means they cannot afford good legal defense.


Often the studies showing this are flawed, or at least incomplete.

For instance, it is often said that black people being arrested at higher rates for buying drugs in small amounts compared to white people when data shows that both groups use drugs at the same rates is evidence of discrimination.

However subsequent research has shown that black individuals often engage in much riskier behavior when buying drugs, leading them to get caught more.

What evidence do you have that "police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often"?


>What evidence do you have that "police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often"?

Talking to middle class black people, most have stories of police harassment which my white middle class friends do not.


They were harassed -- absolutely believe that.

Were they convicted of anything? OP wasn't talking about harassment, they were talking about convictions.


Have you asked if they were engaging in bad behavior? One sided anecdotes are often unreliable.


Does personal responsibility matter at all anymore?

>The police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often

And blacks are more likely to commit the crimes in the first place, and more likely to reoffend. If you want to blame "systematic racism" or whatever the term of the day is, you need to paint the whole picture, because culturally inspired behavior (fuck the police!) leads to culturally inspired outcomes.

Tell me, do you believe that the justice system (excluding marital issues) is biased against men relative to women, since the incarceration ratio is like 9:1?


>Does personal responsibility matter at all anymore?

As a white person I'm not worried about the police pointing guns at me when walking home with my kids in a nice neighborhood. My middle class black colleague had that happen to them. Not sure what else they could have done with their "personal responsibility" to avoid that other than bleaching their skin I guess.


>As a white person I'm not worried about the police pointing guns at me when walking home with my kids in a nice neighborhood

8 unarmed black men died at the hands of police last year. In a country with tens of millions of police interactions every year. And proportionally the number of white people who died by cop is approximately the same.

What people are worried about right now is a mass hysteria manufactured by a slanted media determined to paint a picture which absolves blacks of any responsibility.

I'm more than willing to admit that yes, to some extent, discrimination/racism play a role in unequal outcomes. Are you willing to accept that personal choices have a far greater effect?


I think the claim is that prohibiting employers from asking about criminal records disadvantages black people precisely because black people commit more crimes. If they're allowed to ask about criminal records, then the non-criminals, black or white, are all on an equal footing. If they're not allowed to ask, then they'll assume that the black applicant is more likely to be a criminal.

[ I have no idea whether or not this claim is actually empirically true. ]


I think there are statistics showing that black people are much more likely to be arrested for committing the same crime as a white person, and thus more likely to have a criminal record even if they don't commit more crimes.


When it comes to policing this is actually a real problem and a violent one. Watch this vicious attack that police pretend a dog did it while not doing anything but provoke more pain. Imagine for a second you were black when you saw this. Getting arrested, not resisting and being mauled by a police dog, this leaves me speechless...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbZWt7kWCCY



Careful with your words. You say "black people commit disproportionate amount of crime" but it is entirely possible that black people are prosecuted more often for the same crimes as white people do not get prosecuted for. A simple web search will show you that is true.


This is why there are population surveys of criminal victimization. See table 12 on page 12. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf


What do you want me to take away from it?


That it refutes your hypothesis.


Please dumb it down for me how it does so.


This is racist crap. If you over police black and brown neighborhoods, you’ll manage to find ways to incriminate black and brown people at a much higher rate than white people, because you won’t be around to see white people committing the same crimes.




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