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What always confused me was that "its" is meant to denote possession. For example, I find this to be more consistent.

Bob's purpose vs. It's purpose

For consistency, shouldn't we use: Bobs purpose




Bob, in this case, is a proper noun. It, in the other case, is a personal pronoun.

Generally, nouns can go from the nominative (subjective) case to the independent genitive (possessive) case by adding an apostrophe. If a word ends in "s", then the apostrophe goes after that "s". If the word does not end in "s", then you add an apostrophe, followed by an "s" after the end of the word.

A pronoun is treated differently than a proper or common noun when being used in its genitive case. Pronouns have declension (inflection) that can change their endings so they become different words.

For example, we can decline the pronouns to show possession using any of these cases:

Accusative (objective) case / Possessive Adjective case / Genitive (possessive) case

me / my / mine

you / your / yours

it / its / its

her / her / hers

him / his / his

us / our / ours

them / their / theirs

Case 1.* "The dog belongs to _"

Case 2. "This is _ dog".

Case 3. "That dog is _".

In all of these cases, a pronoun does not take an apostrophe, unlike you would see with common/proper nouns.

Note that this can apply to more than just the noun, in the case of "The Queen of England's dress", where Queen does not take the


I can only remember the rule by remembering that “its”, “his”, and “hers” are pronouns and none have apostrophes.


What if their name is "Bobs"? You'd have no way to distinguish the name as names are always going to be the least consistent part of the language - would you then use "Bobss"? But what if their name is "Bobss"…? ;-)

Funnily enough, if their name was Bobs then the possessive would be Bobs', but you'll see natives use Bobs's and even say "Bobses" (Gollum like) as it's confusing even for us. That kind of consistency isn't a strength of the language, and the education system is failing too many people (that's a whole other discussion).


> Funnily enough, if their name was Bobs then the possessive would be Bobs’

Actually, no; s’ is for possessives of plural nouns ending in s (well, an s or z sound, which might be an s, x, or z, but usually for a plural will be an s, and most plurals ending with s won't have it silent, but...); plural nouns not ending in s or singular nouns, including those ending in s, get ’s.

Except for the special rules for classical and Biblical names, where then the number of syllables in the base name (which then makes the s or z sound rule more interesting, because names ending with silent s, x, or z are a thing) becomes relevant because English.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/what-happens-t...

> as it's confusing even for us.

True, that.


I looked into this exact topic a few months ago when a cake decorator friend wanted to know what to write on the cake board for "name's christening" but the child's name ended in S. I applaud the attention to detail :)



There's an article on the front page about Perl 7, I'm starting to wonder which one has the more difficult grammar ;-)


Many style guides recommend the "Bobs's" form over "Bobs'".

Those style guides also mention many more special cases, like "the students' questions" (but "the dutchess's hat", because students is plural and dutchess is singular) and even break that down to the case where the next word starts with s, like "the dutchess' style".

Basically, it is not by any means clear cut.


Genitive -s works in other languages (eg German) without apostrophe and without confusion.


How strange that the world does not want to use German as its lingua franca then.


Genau, jawohl! :-)




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