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> A completely different, but much more enjoyable environment and much more friendly people.

You must have found a neat subculture in Java - not been my experience at all.

The "shared agreement" thing - I've moved between multiple Java environments over the years, and there's never any agreement between companies on the 'right' way to do Java.

Open communities in Java - I've often felt they require a huge amount of tribal knowledge of their 'ways' before they'll deign to answer questions in helpful ways. Mention that you can do X in perl or php or ruby, and you're often dismissed out of hand.




All communities are defensive, when someone comes in with "this is shit, why can't I do it like I do it in X".

Are you not aware of the flamewars between RoR and Enterprise Java people, when RoR was being pushed into the enterprise?


I'm aware, and coming in with "this is shit" - yeah, that ain't cool, and I'd never expect that to 'work'. Coming in with questions people consider "too basic" is another problem.




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