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I'm talking about the discourse sorroundig privacy, not literally specifically about my phone. I hate to see it marketed as a tool of revolution instead of just common sense practices.

Your use of "ideologically driven" is confusing. Of course they should be driven, by their ideology on how a messaging app should be. But how could their opinion on the protest drive them? Just some weeks ago a whole different crew was taking the streets fighting for their own "freedom reasons". Some years ago there was the sad tiki parade.

It's like setting up a gun shop in Syria and claim your guns kill "the bad guys", whatever that means to the customer.

I'll choose the app that works best for me, and will call it out when someone feeds the meme that privacy is for rioters, unwittingly even.




> how could their opinion on protest drive them?

Some people believe in first and fourth amendment rights.

Moxie, one of the original developers of the Signal protocol:

Tracking everyone is no longer inconceivable, and is in fact happening all the time. We know that Sprint alone responded to 8 million law enforcement requests for real time customer location just in 2008. They got so many requests that they built an automated system to handle them.

Combined with ballooning law enforcement budgets, this trend towards automation, which includes things like license plate scanners and domestically deployed drones, represents a significant shift in the way that law enforcement operates.

Police already abuse the immense power they have, but if everyone’s every action were being monitored, and everyone technically violates some obscure law at some time, then punishment becomes purely selective. Those in power will essentially have what they need to punish anyone they’d like, whenever they choose, as if there were no rules at all.

Even ignoring this obvious potential for new abuse, it’s also substantially closer to that dystopian reality of a world where law enforcement is 100% effective, eliminating the possibility to experience alternative ideas that might better suit us.

https://moxie.org/2013/06/12/we-should-all-have-something-to...

ACLU: For more than a decade now, Americans have repeatedly encountered illegal and unnecessary spying by local, state, and federal law enforcement on lawful and peaceful protesters.

https://www.aclu.org/issues/free-speech/rights-protesters/sp...

EFF: Theft, damage, confiscation, or forced deletion of media can disrupt your ability to publish your experiences.

https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/attending-protest

EFF: Here is a review of surveillance technology that police may be deploying against ongoing protests against racism and police brutality.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/06/how-identify-visible-a...

> feeds the meme that privacy is for rioters

Ok, I get it. You’re upset about the “rioters”. Choose your new app and carry on.


But I am not upset in the least about the rioters or anyone else, I can assure you.

Guarding people's privacy and rights to a voice (during protests or otherwise) is a good use of the first and fourth amendments. But let's not confuse form and content. The protests are not advocating privacy, and I'm not even going to voice my opinions about them. There's a difference between backing the content of the protests, and defending the rights that incidentally enable them. The blogpost in question ended with "it’s your powerful voices that are out there organizing and advocating for change". I can only construe that as either explicitly siding with whatever ongoing protest there is, or an empty general statement (I assume it's the former though, but makes little difference to me).

I think my point got side-tracked by fault of my own. I don't require every single thing I use not to have ideologies attached, because it's simply impossible. And everyone has every right to voice their idiotic opinions, God knows I'm doing that. But it saddens me that more often than not people who could choose to be content-agnostic instead leverage their position to fight the good cause. And there's a thousand conflicting good causes.

Thanks for the links, btw.




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