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Sorry that you don't like it. Can't please everyone. Lots of people have told me they've had fun meeting new people from around the world.

Regarding the hashtag, I put it there because I'm against police brutality and I'm horrified by what the police are doing. Looters should be arrested and prosecuted, for sure. But police have a monopoly on the use of violence and must be held to a higher standard.




Anti-brutality is unifying, racial victimhood is controversial. For effectiveness focus on the former, for tribal signaling focus on the latter.


I didn't write I don't like it, mostly think being more neutral and removing political statements might be better.

As for the Police, that was one guy. What percentage of cops kill innocent people, vs. save you from the bad guys (I was saved by cops twice, for instance). Also looks like the guy is going to be held at a higher standard and will get a harsh punishment. Is looting and burning down stores that in many cases represent people's life savings the correct way to solve the problem?

As you see, we could be talking about your chat, and we're talking about violence and depressing things like a store owner saving money for 20 years only to see it burn down by Antifa.


I'm not one to touch politics, but wearing a mask is absolutely not a political statement. It's a sentiment that has been politicized, but the scientific argument for wearing a mask is very strong.

See the study published in Nature (1), or recommendations from reputable medical institutions like the Cleveland Clinic (2) and the Mayo Clinic (3) for better explanations than I could give.

I own several businesses in the hospitality and service sector and every single one of my employees are required to wear a mask for the protection of themselves and our guests. It's absolutely ridiculous that something as easy as wearing a mask is suddenly, "The Worst Thing in the World" and/or, "The Most Uncomfortable Thing I've Ever Done". I have awful seasonal allergies and asthma and when I'm at the office or out and about in public, I will wear my surgical mask the entire time. The only time my mask is off is when I'm in my car or at home.

I just can't get past the entitlement that some people have when they can't be bothered with sacrificing a tiny little bit of personal comfort to help slow the spread of a pandemic.

1: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

2: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/heres-how-wearing-a-cloth...

3: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i...

/rantover

I apologize, but I'm just shocked. I expect better from my fellow HNers. Also, It's not entirely clear to me if you don't believe in wearing masks or if you're just making the comment that a mask is a political object (and by extension, websites should not display politically charged images). Either way, your comments in this thread have really thrown me for a loop.


I think it is easy to misread the implied context of your statement as

protestors = looters = antifa.

Which is of course not true.

These are three seperate groups of people and the only subset relation that holds true (using a definition of `protestors` as simply participants) is

protestors > looters.

And I guess they constitute only a small percentage.

Additionally: Not everyone who would signify themselves as part of the antifa is a looter and not every looter is part of the antifa.

I would not jump to any conlusion about the ratios `looters/(antifa looters)` and `antifa/(antifa looters)`. (Note: They are not inverse).

Overall, my impression is that the antifa plays only a minor role and was mostly brought up by T. to derail the public discussion.


I hope it's Antifa (a terrorist organization), and not regular kids that go out and beat up old ladies.


Are they organized?

Are they able to kick people out? They have an official communications channel to take credit for the crimes they commit, and disown crimes they don't want to be associated with?


I don't know, but I've seen what they do, so if this can force cities to arrest them and make punishmenta harsher, it's most welcome.


antifa has not been designated as a terrorist organization. it's not even an organization (but an umbrella term for lots of loosely collected organizations).


Those sound like cells to me.


I thought it was, the other day?


a good rule of thumb is that most things Trump says are false.


> What percentage of cops kill innocent people, vs. save you from the bad guys

Pretty low I suppose. The point is, we should take every precaution to keep the former as low as possible, preferably zero. The people are not seeing this effort at the moment.


So, you beat up old ladies and burn stores to do that?

I don't think anyone wants police killing people, but this is crazy and useless.

Also, was there not a pandemic where people were being chased eith drones to social distance? What happened to that?


From what I have seen it's the cops that are beating up old ladies.


What percentage of protesters beat up old ladies and burn stores, vs. just peacefully protest?




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