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> Men Who Stare at Goats is a terrifying exploration of what these programs were really about

So an enormous waste of money that achieved nothing?

> Make no mistake, these programs were prototypes for still-ongoing attacks on the American public.

Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.




The Snowdon leaks made it clear that US and UK security services are still happy to use psychological manipulation on their own public.

Never mind that we already knew this since COINTELPRO.


What is worse: a nuclear weapon or a psychological weapon? Nuclear weapons sound more dangerous, but they cannot be used invisibly without triggering a catastrophic response, meaning their power is largely from the leverage they give to the owner. Psychological weapons can be hidden and used without detection, can be approved of by secret courts, and directly benefit governments in far more scenarios with far lower risk. They are also cheaper. So what is more dangerous to the public?


Links, please.

Specifically to the mind control, since that is what this is about.

Psychological manipulation includes things like advertising and PR, so that isn't the same thing at all.


The use of the phrase "conspiracy theory" belies your ignorance. This term is too often effectively used against an inquisitive public, to shut down criticism of these agencies..


Au contraire! I've studied conspiracy theories a lot!

This is a great example: take something that did happen (experiments 40+ years ago), combine it with something more recent people know about in passing ("Men who state at goats" - which I'd note was exactly about how it didn't work at all), and then use it to project into the idea that it must be more advanced today and mysterious forces are using it.

Indeed, the idea of taking something that did happen, and then weaving it into lots of other random things to hide it in the noise (like this comment does) is a tactic often used by intelligence operatives. There's a conspiracy theory for you to think about!

I'd note that there is no evidence given at all.

The OP could have spoken about the recent IARPA SHARP brain stimulation program[1] which is probably the most advanced research in this area. But clearly they didn't know about that or they'd also know how hard it is to make work and how far away from mind control it is!

[1] https://www.iarpa.gov/index.php/research-programs/sharp


If you thought "Men Who Stare at Goats" was about something that didn't work, you completely missed the point. There is no reliable evidence that anyone tried to kill goats with their mind. What we do have reliable evidence of is that they want people to think they were trying. They succeeded at that. (Fooled you, anyway.)

The fact that you think what they were doing didn't work demonstrates, itself, that in fact what they really were doing did work: they misled you about what they were doing, with complete success.


Indeed that was a mission in duplicity more than anything else.


Just because government-involved conspiracy research isn't your field of interest doesn't mean you should talk down to others.

Quite the opposite.




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