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> So it's all about revenge,

It's not simply just about revenge, as I noted in my comment, about there's a hundred examples outside of jail including zoning laws where we're taking this same good-intentions approach to solving the problems we see and having either nothing happen to things leaving us worse off.

The fundamental problem is fear-driven policy making by people who think they know what's best for a community and having zero tolerance for the natural chaos that is natural to society.

The more we try to tamper that chaos and create an endless series of laws without thinking (or grasping) the unintended side-effects the more this will keep happening.

I think plenty of the worst stuff in our societies results from our creations, often from idealistic attempts to make the world a better place, which in fact have had the opposite effect.

Every time we create a new law or ban something or get vindictive we need to think back to all of the times that didn't work or had the complete opposite effect.

Cities and life worked better in the post-war 1950s because we didn't have a thousand laws and projects running simultaneously trying to make the world a better place. It embraced the chaos naturally, before the NIBMY brigades and busy-bodies created a system where "they know what's best for other people" when they really didn't

For example, when the "hippies" started smoking weed, people freaked out, but maybe it really wasn't the end of the world causing all of our problems. They were normal kids just like their parents going through a phase. Then the billions we put into stopping it has left us worse off.

Likewise we need to at what other moral panics (and lesser pancis) resulted in systems that are hurting us.

I don't know exactly what the solution is but I feel like as a society we need to take a good hard look at the various systems we put in place since the post-WW2 decades and ask if it's really made the world a better place.

The highest priority of all in the US (IMO) is prison reform since that is the population numbers are the glaring massive difference that other western countries don't have. And they don't have super violent cities like the US does and maybe there's a cause and effect here, or at a minimum the vindictive nature of it all is doing nothing to actually help the problem.

The second priority is the myriad of drug laws which have so obviously backfired, then our backwards approach to building/housing which has become a massive problem in every urban area in the country.

We need to embrace the chaos again and stop trying to control every little detail like we know what's best for other people.




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