>Nationalism always has been a violent ideology so its fairly understandable to translate physical violence into ideological to become "civil."
Violent ideology that promotes physical violence is turned into an ideology to become a civil ideology? That argument doesn't really follow. I ask you the same question I ask your sibling commenter: Can you show anything more for this standpoint other than "that's how it is?" I'm holding these "facts" up to the same standards as I would a Wikipedia article. Citation needed. (Preferably a citation that doesn't also originate from a group with obvious stake in their claims.)
Violent ideology that promotes physical violence is turned into an ideology to become a civil ideology? That argument doesn't really follow. I ask you the same question I ask your sibling commenter: Can you show anything more for this standpoint other than "that's how it is?" I'm holding these "facts" up to the same standards as I would a Wikipedia article. Citation needed. (Preferably a citation that doesn't also originate from a group with obvious stake in their claims.)