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[robertoandred]

Hate to break it to you, but servers and server-side rendering existed before React.

Sounds like you're blaming good tools instead of bad developers.

[Nextgrid → robertoandred]

There is no world where a tool or language for which you need hundreds of megabytes of unknown untrusted dependencies of dubious quality is considered a good tool.

[grumple → robertoandred]

...what? He was bemoaning React making things far more difficult than they need to be. And I think that’s a fair assessment of the situation. There’s a minimum overhead to maintaining a modern js app that is far higher than maintaining say, a Rails frontend. And it’s more costly for every change.

[robertoandred → grumple]

Rails and React are in no way comparable. They solve entirely different problems.

[adamrt → robertoandred]

He's saying that there is client side rendering and now there needs to _also_ be server side rendering to compensate for its shortcomings.

[robertoandred → adamrt]

There doesn't need to be server-side rendering to use React. There also doesn't need to be client-side rendering to use React.

Besides, a combo of PHP backend codebase and a jQuery frontend codebase has many more shortcomings than a single React codebase.