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I came to say this. That $270M revenue is backed by a #1 product line. I first tried PHPStorm back in 2014 after I got tired of the wonky debugging capability in Eclipse. I still think Eclipse is a really important project in the way that JetBrains is the Google of IDEs and Eclipse is maybe the Firefox, and we need Firefoxes.



Man why you gotta do Firefox dirty like that?

Firefox is absolutely the best browser IMO. Unlike Eclipse, which is acceptable but doesn’t hold a candle to JetBrains.


> Unlike Eclipse, which is acceptable

That's a nice way of saying it's a trash fire.


What happened to Eclipse?

I remember there was a time when IBM really invested in it that it was miles better than anything in the Java editing space, or honestly any competitor at the time. For example, instantaneous compiling and error checking was so far ahead it took MS many years to catch up with it.

It used to be a matter of huge excitement when a new language or framework was supported by Eclipse.

But I moved away from Eclipse for a few years (I wasn’t programming then) and I’m back and suddenly it’s absolute terrible. Not just worse than browsers of the time, but possibly worse than what it was when I last used it.


Not sure what you're experiencing but I use Eclipse daily and I can't see anything remotely like what you're describing. It's clunky and sometimes slow (esp. if you run it with default memory - ALWAYS increase the memory). But it works just fine for me.


Really? Is it that bad? I haven’t tried it in a long time but I imagined that if I opened it up it would be pretty good. Got to try it now.


IBM getting involved in something is usually a death sentence. Initially they might inspire hope. But they'll turn everything into a horrible mess lacking those polishing touches that makes stuff nice to work with. They'll tick feature check-boxes. But the stuff will barely be usable.


Funny, the two things you mention (instantaneous compiling and error checking) are still better in Eclipse.


Eclipse is gimp Jetbrains is photoshop.


Photoshop is much less free/open than Jetbrains products are.


You may like them more for a variety of reasons but how is photoshop less free/open than Jetbrains products. Both are commericial products that require a licease and both are on the subscription model after selling unlimited liceases for years.


IDEA CE is opensource, many plugins are opensource as well.


> Both are commericial products that require a licease

There are community versions of some of their IDEs, which are fully FLOSS, unlike Photoshop.


I thought Eclipse was pretty good... obviously not a 1-to-1 comparison...


Mozilla has made a commitment to privacy into its products' main differentiator, and I am 100% okay with that. The fact that FF ships with its Facebook container system turned on by default, and that it just works, is probably my favorite browser feature in quite some time.




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