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Okay, different way to explain it:

Person A says "Let's kill all of Group B"

Person B says "I won't tolerate Person A"

Person C says "I won't tolerate Person B"

Person A is being intolerant. They are breaking the terms of the notional peace treaty; the consequence of that is losing the right to be tolerated.

Person B is OK because Person A has lost the right to be tolerated. They are not breaking the notional treaty.

Person B is not OK because Person B has not lost the right to be tolerated. They are breaking the notional treaty.

As for the rest of what you're saying...

Yeah, I can see how that bat picture is off-putting. I don't always notice those kinds of undercurrents. Thanks for pointing it out!

> discourage people from expressing themselves in ways you do not agree with

You can, if your differentiator is along different axis. See the Person A/B/C example above.

> Furthermore

Thanks for expressing that you're picking this up. That's not something I'm putting down, so I'm not sure where that's coming from.

> perceived as intolerance

Yep. I don't yet have a way to address this en masse, although talking to individuals seems to work.

> Setting subjective feelings as a measure

...That seems appropriate? But you're right about the failure mode. I'd then say the issue isn't using this sensor we've all got, but in directly reacting to the results of that sensor. If your box is showing high CPU usage, and all you do is up the CPU...

> I stand by my original comment.

You do you, and I value that you're expressing what you're picking up. It's not what I'm putting down.




Except very few people are saying "Let's kill all of Group B", especially in 2019, at Google, in San Francisco. But sure, if you want to act on your "intolerance" for that specific flavor of intolerance, then please go to eg Indiana and protest the actual KKK.

Rather what "Person A" is likely to have said is something civil that clashes with the dominant political team's reality distortion field. Rather than having to address the substance, those who disagree feign highly personal reactions as if a minority viewpoint is that "kill all" mortal threat, effectively resorting to the age old monkey status games for silencing dissent.


A more relevant example:

Person A: B raped a girl, so B doesn't tolerate women!

Person B: I did not!

Person C: I don't tolerate person B.

Person B's Friends: I don't tolerate person C since they broke the tolerance contract, B hasn't done anything.

Person C's friends: I don't tolerate B's friends since they broke the tolerance contract by not tolerating A.

Does this sound familiar? It was the start of the Tulsa massacre. If you say that "intolerance of intolerance" is a good thing then I take it that you think that the Tulsa massacre was warranted, since they were just intolerant of intolerant people right?

Edit: Or in the case of for example Damore:

Person A: There are inherent differences between group A and group B, so likely not all differences we see between them are due to discrimination.

Person B: I don't tolerate A's intolerance, he is clearly bigoted and thus broke the contract!

Person C: I don't tolerate B's intolerance, A might be misguided but didn't really show intolerance.

A, B and C now starts a verbal war causing several people to get fired on both sides before it calms down.


Your first situation is not identifiable to me as anything like my described situation. I do not see how you could think the two are examples of the same thing. Your narrative also does not appear coherent to me.

The Damore example is much better. I spent a long time going down that rabbit hole, and my conclusion is that he had a number of things that should have been considered and were not, in themselves, problematic, and he also had a number of things to say that were problematic, and he said many (but not all) of those things in ways that were problematic. The ensuing cultural conversation did the usual unfortunate thing, and devolve into black/white tribalism.

This is why I go first for a conversation with the Person As before deciding on courses of action.




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