On: US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits

[geggam]

Always amazes me that so many people think the constitution grants people the rights.

The constitution grants the govt rights.

The people have all the rights not expressly forbidden by law.

Law enforcement seriously lags in this as well

[diminoten → geggam]

What really matters is what rights the people with the guns are willing to give you...

[geggam → diminoten]

Which is the reason the 2nd amendment was written. The founders knew politics 101. Violence is required.

[diminoten → geggam]

Well, it was. Now, not so much.

[whatthesmack → diminoten]

I assume you're responding to the GP's "Violence is required." Perhaps actual violence is not required now, but the threat of violence is still just as real and necessary.

[diminoten → whatthesmack]

Nope and nope. The threat of violence from the people is not real in the US any longer, nor is it necessary.

[geggam → diminoten]

Interesting, if you think this is true, speed 5mph over the limit and refuse to follow directions from the officer. eg dont pull over

Let me know how the violence thing doesn't happen in a victimless crime.

[diminoten → geggam]

? I'm not going to shoot a cop so I can go 5mph over the speed limit if that's what you're saying...

I'm trying to say that the threat of violence from the people isn't there anymore, for many reasons, one of which is the huge disparity between the military and consumer availability.

[geggam → diminoten]

Sorry, I misread.

I disagree, recently one event has shown the violence is just under the surface.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

Large groups of people went to that mans ranch just to threaten the govt.

[diminoten → geggam]

The government was not threatened in any meaningful way.

You're just going to disagree regardless though, aren't you?