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I completely different view. Rogoway's is not into critical thinking or good analysis. He is also deeply into monetizing Navy-UFO conspiracy.



> He is also deeply into monetizing Navy-UFO conspiracy.

A lot of these otherwise sensible warfare blogs are getting heavily into this. I don't understand it.

But clearly it attracts a big audience and they've always been a niche blog topic so I guess they like the attention.


Attention -> pageviews -> ad money. The fundamental value chain of most news reporting today.


Feels like a stretch that multiple military personnel went on record and conspired to make this up for the clicks on a blog? Far easier ways to drive traffic.


The pilots seeing it wasn't what drove traffic. It was suppression of terrestrial explanations and lack of critical thinking by reporters.


Can you please point me to the terrestrial explanation for the recent spate of "snake-like" UFO sightings?

In the absence of any positive evidence for its existence, I don't believe there is extra-terrestrial life. But I haven't seen any logical explanation for some of the widely observed phenomena, either. I usually assume it involves secret government projects.


I've ready Rogoway's articles on this. He starts from real and public announcements by the U.S. military -- which is pretty newsworthy -- and then he spends a lot of time trying to come up with sensible, scientific explanations. See for example this article that compares the sightings to recent designs for radar-reflecting balloons [1]. TL;DR: the Navy made this newsworthy. Rogaway just seems to be doing reasonable investigative work from that starting point.

[1] https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28640/could-some-of-th...


Best reporting on the subject out there. He was doing it before the NYTs article on hard unexplained situations. Nothing about aliens. This dude who says he is monetizing it or spreading typical ufo junk is a total troll.


UFO talk is PR distraction correlated with military product development. A major component of it is to discredit conversation about observations.

In the 90s it was stealth aircraft, in the 80s it was Tomahawk missiles, 50s any of a dozen airborne platforms.


I've completely missed the boat (heh); what is "Navy-UFO conspiracy"? Because at least one interpretation of that combination of words is entirely level-headed (UFOs as Naval materiel, e.g. penaids and their friends, electro-optical EW missile-countermeasure systems), while the other, not so much.


NY Times: ‘Wow, What Is That?’ Navy Pilots Report Unexplained Flying Objects https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings...


As Neil Degrasse Tyson once said, even pilots aren't astronomers or astrophysicists and often don't know what they're seeing when they look at the sky.


As I understand it, in at least some of these instances the pilots were looking down at the ground when they claim to have seen objects beneath them. /nitpick


I don't follow this line of reasoning.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't astronomy the scientific study of celestial objects; and astrophysics is the branch of astronomy concerned with the physical nature of those celestial objects.

Why would either of those be the right consultants for UFOs, which are decidedly not celestial objects.


Astronomy includes knowing when you aren't doing it and instead seeing an artifact of your instruments or weather.


> Astronomy includes knowing when you aren't doing it and instead seeing an artifact of your instruments or weather

One would hope fighter pilots have some faculty in said skills!


Sure, but the universe has a lot of very strange natural phenomena and astrophysicist spend a lot of time studying these and therefore can recognise when something is likely natural (or at least have the background knowledge to check before assuming its aliens -- as they say, its never aliens, until it is) where a fighter pilot might be more attuned to seeing things in the sky than the average person, they still don't have the same exposure and experience seeing, studying and working with strange sky and space phenomena. I'd rather an astrophysicist's opinion on aliens than a fighter pilot's, but I'd rather a fighter pilot's opinion than my local plumber.


Because they are used to looking at the sky and looking at weird, odd or abnormal phenomena in the sky. They are therefore better equipped to know whether something strange in the sky is just one of the many strange natural phenomena or if its something that might be of alien origin.


I agree, should probably have been meteorologists. Most astronomers and astrophysicians aren't that much more educated on weird atmospheric phenomena, either.


As a pair of eyeballs that likes to read about the Navy-UFO stuff, can you point me to something more critical of it?

I just get a lot of noise and nothing really makes sense, so I just treat it as entertainint Sci-Fi.


Most of it makes perfect sense. But there is a certain Congress critter that has got himself convinced that UFOs are real and has made it his pet project to fund these investigations. Which, quote predictably, cherrypick facts to justify their continued funding.


Said critter thinks the 'A' in 'UFO' means aliens from outer space.


But there is no A in UFO...


That's the point. Conventional wisdom is that Unidentified Flying Objects do exist as per their literal definition, but they're not alien spaceships.


What's the sense that you are seeing?




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