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> but feel that the current government is not upholding those ideals in a way they approve of.

In some cases, the government is actively undermining those ideals. We’re separating thousands of young children from their parents and holding them in horrible conditions in some cases. My stomach turns thinking all we’re going to learn about this chapter in American history over the next 10 years because we’re not seeing all of it unfold in real time.

Add to that gerrymandering, political interference to keep our election infrastructure weak after multiple reports of hacking by foreign governments.

Much of this adds up to an existential crisis in democracy that we’re just now waking up to.




> My stomach turns thinking all we’re going to learn about this chapter in American history over the next 10 years because we’re not seeing all of it unfold in real time.

> Much of this adds up to an existential crisis in democracy that we’re just now waking up to.

When do you think it was better in the past?


We had better leaders in the past... We've moved the post too far right.

Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower even from different parties I think all of them were in support of more support for the people, and I'm pretty sure Eisenhower and Roosevelt at least were both for universal healthcare for all, too bad they didn't push for it back then and get it. We wouldn't be having all the fights about healthcare we have today.


Yup, it's crazy how things that used to be bipartisan no-brainers are now these hugely polarizing issues. Freaking Nixon of all people created the EPA, and look what he had to say about pollution pricing:

"We believe that part of the answer lies in pricing energy on the basis of its full costs to society. One reason we use energy so lavishly today is that the price of energy does not include all of the social costs of producing it. The costs incurred in protecting the environment and the health and safety of workers, for example, are part of the real costs of producing energy-but they are not now all included in the price of the product."


I'm not arguing that there is a better period in the past than what we're experiencing now. But American history relative to the present has no bearing on the severity of the atrocities we're seeing now, no?

Are you suggesting that what I've outlined above is somehow acceptable because America has always had black marks in the history books?




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