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What if humans collectively decided to not have any new kids anymore and maximize quality of life for the humans that already are living on planet earth?

I would love to see this thought experiment thought out in detail. What decisions would we make? Where would we invest? Would climate control still be an issue?




It would change fuck all. The regions where there is still a lot of population growth (e.g. Africa) are so far behind in qualify of life compared to the massively CO2-emitting countries that any attempt to improve their qualify of life means we continue to increase the CO2 output for decades more.

Anyway, there is no chance that humans will collectively decide anything, least of all that.


First of all, humans are the only sentient beings in the known universe. Second, most humans have children because that is maximizing their quality of life - it is a living organisms instinct to replicate, and (most) humans are no different. If you feel different, check the stats on how many have children, and think, you may just be in a bubble. Humans have endured millennia of starvation and disease, try to keep our upcoming hardships in perspective.

Beyond reasons why it would not maximize our quality of life, collectively deciding to not have kids just would not do any good. You are taking people 'like you' out of the gene pool, while people who choose to not go with the collective will procreate.


    most humans have children because that is
    maximizing their quality of life
Citation needed. I have read several studies about which factors improve quality of life. I cannot remember a single one that had "children" in the list of factors that significantly improve happiness.


Just yesterday - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/children-happines...

Parents with grown-up children report being happier than those without children (but those with younger children are the least happy).


First paragraph:

    Parents often say their children bring them joy
    but most research suggests kids cause financial
    worry, stress and anxiety.
Second paragraph:

    However, the latest research suggests children
    do actually make people happier – but only once
    they’ve left home.
That is in line with what most studies come up with as one of the central aspects of a happy life: Having friends. I would think that kids kinda fall in that category after they left home.


How about "being a grandparent"?


Children Of Men is a great movie on this topic, you can give it a watch.

But I'm genuinely curious about people that think like you. Okay, so everyone dies by about 2100, then what? What is the point of basically anything?


What is the point if humans exist another 1000 years? Or does it have to be a million years? How many years does it need to breed meaning?


Enough that we can spread humanity into space and/or develop sentient technology.


Forever. I mean, life is a natural consequence of the nature and physics of the universe, and human civilization is a natural consequence of life processes. Existence and progression is the meaning.


> Forever.

Already failed then.

Scenario 1) The universe will end in heat death, the big rip, or other similar cosmic catastrophe.

Scenario 2) The universe continues on for infinity, giving plenty of time for even the most ridiculously unlikely of events to occur. It is therefore inevitable that humanity or whatever progeny it might have will still ultimately cease to exist.


Scenario 2 isn't actually so clear. Over time, humanity can decrease its suceptability to being wiped out by unlikely events at a faster rate then the events themselves over time.


But we can never hit 0, and infinity is a long time.

That's leaving aside that 2 is already pretty unlikely given what we know of the universe.


Time is a property of the universe.


I love Childhood’s End [0]

Also there’s this : http://vhemt.org/

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood%27s_End


A gigantic "no thanks" to vhemt.org. Thanks for the recommendation on the book. I'm gonna pick that up.


We rely on a mixture of generations in society, you need young healthy taxpayers to support the elders who raised them.


Since the large majority of all humans will still be alive in twenty years the climate will still be ruined even if no more children were born starting today.


How do you know that?

There are over 100 million kids born per year.

So after one year we would already have less emissions caused by 100 million people.

After 20 years we would be 2 billion people less. That's quite significant.


We need to be carbon neutral in twenty years. 2 billion people less (most of them from poor countries!) are not enough.


Humanity would die out. Doesn’t seem very useful.


It would be to the other 99.9999% of species. Maybe E Coli amd Herpes beasties get the shaft.


You should watch the anime Parasyte


Define useful.


Keeping with the primary objective of every living species (survival and reproduction).


A good investment would be armaments and ammunition. The only way such inhumane rules could be satisfied would be through large-scale violent enforcement. "Collectively decided" is a euphemism.


And Mars colony technology. We can simply use it on earth.


We could start with a global two children policy. But it's extremely hard to go even there.

Two because we should have second chances, and alone children are less socially adapted than those with siblings.


The global fertility rate is below 2.5 children per woman today. We're almost there.


selfishness + nihilism, what a program...


i think it would lead to humanity's extinction as the humans that are around now will eventually die


what if humans collectively aligned with populist ideologies and stoped caring about equality, democracy, capitalism, materialism, consumerism?

systems that maximize human rights and equality were created in a vacuum and ignore external side-effects.




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