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> They are toxic because they were excluded

That's a massive assumption, I don't honestly agree with the root commenter, but I have worked around young men, and honestly a lot of young men get excluded from young ages because of parental social neglect, i.e. they exclude themselves by exhibiting very antisocial behaviours and then responding badly to the negative response, and no-one intervenes.

You see this even into teenage years, a boy picks up behaviour from somewhere, gets a bad response and then doubles down harder and harder unless someone, who may have zero responsibility to do so, steps in and basically acts as an unpaid therapist for an unwilling and sometimes violent and rude patient.

I'm sure there's better ways of dealing with isolation than we have now, but you can't just act like they're excluded for no reason whatsoever. There's always a reason, sometimes it's a terrible reason, like being gay or some other "undesirable", but it's almost never arbitrary. The only people who believe it's arbitrary are usually the ones who've done something wrong.




> because of parental social neglect

Very well said! It is also quite disturbing to see how many parents today do make their children become sugar and youtube addicted.


Exclusion by your parents is the worst kind of exclusion. Exclusion causes shame, the damage parents cause is often shame. This is what I am saying.




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