> So you can't just say, let's use XMPP. You have to be very specific and make sure people use the right versions.
I too ran an XMPP server for years, used plaintext and OTR, it was nice.
This was in the days before everyone had tablets, phones and laptops. I used ChatSecure (formerly Gibberbot) on my phone and Pidgin on my PC.
OMEMO wasn't invented then and nobody else had the double ratchet so I had to just deal with the fact there wasn't multi device support and E2E.
Google and Facebook both offered XMPP bridges too. Google and Facebook have discontinued such services. Voice/Video never worked with them and file transfer with Pidgin never worked with Google Talk.
Now in today's world, how am I seriously going to convince my friends to use XMPP when they will say, can we use camera/video, oh do we have group E2E too?
Am I seriously going to say "lets use this XMPP client for chatting in text because it supports OMEMO, and lets use this other client because now we want to have a video call?".. What am I going to do when they're on Android?. Conversations.im is nice, but there's no voice/video with that.
The problem simply is there's no reference client that does everything. Many of the clients are ancient fugly GTK clients, and if they do Jingle it's only on Linux (Pidgin, Gajim, Telepathy based etc)
That said, self hosting matrix seems to be similarly hard to execute at this point in time - simply too many opaque and moving components on the server side.
The riot client is also incredibly slow for my taste.
Installing Synapse is very easy actually with Pip, however as this OP showed that using your own identity server is also necessity. FOr that you want https://github.com/kamax-matrix/mxisd
But this is what I've been pointing at; to self host XMPP with multiple domains and per domain settings, I need prosody, nothing else. Not identity server, no video servers, etc. This is the based of my problems.
on what platform is riot slow? if android, give riotx a try - it’s roughly 6x faster.
in terms of too many opaque moving components serverside; the baseline is just a homeserver. pip install matrix-synapse and off you go. configure your client not to use an identity or integration server if you are worried about them.
I too ran an XMPP server for years, used plaintext and OTR, it was nice.
This was in the days before everyone had tablets, phones and laptops. I used ChatSecure (formerly Gibberbot) on my phone and Pidgin on my PC.
OMEMO wasn't invented then and nobody else had the double ratchet so I had to just deal with the fact there wasn't multi device support and E2E.
Google and Facebook both offered XMPP bridges too. Google and Facebook have discontinued such services. Voice/Video never worked with them and file transfer with Pidgin never worked with Google Talk.
Now in today's world, how am I seriously going to convince my friends to use XMPP when they will say, can we use camera/video, oh do we have group E2E too?
Am I seriously going to say "lets use this XMPP client for chatting in text because it supports OMEMO, and lets use this other client because now we want to have a video call?".. What am I going to do when they're on Android?. Conversations.im is nice, but there's no voice/video with that.
The problem simply is there's no reference client that does everything. Many of the clients are ancient fugly GTK clients, and if they do Jingle it's only on Linux (Pidgin, Gajim, Telepathy based etc)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_(protocol)
* https://omemo.top/
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messagin...
If we all use different clients for different things how am I supposed to say "Mom you click here to do that".
Then you do have some promising clients like Coy.im that look nice. And they've said NOPE NO OMEMO HERE. https://github.com/coyim/coyim/issues/233#issuecomment-21200...
Oh you can have video here, but no OMEMO https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi/issues/199#issuecomment-17017...