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[kkarakk]

i am absolutely laughing at this macbook pro 2017 i bought. the keyboard has been replaced 3 times now...the screen was replaced for stagelight effect(broken connector)...they replaced the whole top bit for that(everything north of the hinge gets replaced)

i finally pawned it off on someone else and they promptly fried the motherboard due to water damage(the air intake ports lead directly to the motherboard so good luck to any starbucks warriors out there) so that got replaced too.

Ship of theseus in action - a macbook story. only the bottom baseplate is from the original macbook at this point.

[sundvor → kkarakk]

Woa. For the X1 Carbon, Lenovo actually designed ducts to channel accidental water ingress away from the important parts.

It's kind of sad that Apple gets away with just focusing on the glitzy externals - and that their plethora customers don't care.

[rayiner → sundvor]

Lenovo (I’ve got an X1 Carbon) has no room to talk about shoddy QA: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lenovo-laptop-quality-cont...

[sundvor → rayiner]

Thanks. My first actually had a gap in the corner, but no issues getting that replaced. It allowed me to go from the i5/8/256 to the i7/8/256 as the latter wasn't available when I ordered - i7 was only with 4gb.

I shall certainly be wary when I do get around to upgrading this one. Lenovo Australia are pretty easy to deal with though, fortunately.

[jinushaun → sundvor]

They do care, but Apple has a monopoly on making MacOS hardware and people are unable to “vote with their wallet”. Same thing with iPhones and the headphone jack.

[swah → jinushaun]

Though on that front I feel like they did the Appleish thing: had an excuse to remove the jack (waterproofing), moved the industry in the direction they wanted, released a product that everyone loves (AirPods).

[sundvor → swah]

That excuse doesn't really hold water though. The S10 still has it, and is arguably every bit as "killer" as the new iPhones.

It's more like cost cutting / engineering laziness dressed up as being progressive.

[threeseed → jinushaun]

You can buy a Lightning to 3.5mm adapter off eBay for $2.

And not sure if you've looked around your particular city but most people are using wireless headphones these days.

[bluedino → sundvor]

You can famously pour water into a Thinkpad keyboard without any damage.

Try that with a Coke or fancy Starbucks drink and you'll have sticky residue that requires you to replace the keyboard or clean it very, very thouroughly.

[threeseed → kkarakk]

The air intake ports on the MacBook Pro are on the sides/back:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202179

Must have had the unit deeply submerged in water to get it in via those ports. Be interesting to know how that would've happened.

[wtallis → threeseed]

I'm not sure about the 2017 models, but looking at my 2015 MBP I can easily see liquid spilled onto the lower display and hinge being deflected into the vents, especially if the bottom of the machine is propped up at an angle.