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Not good ones.

Any study attempting to show or imply causation needs to control for confounding variables; this is statistics 101. Usually you do this with an aptly named control group.

If you don't have that control, you're left with "either my results are meaningful or else (very likely) there is a confounding factor." Great, that's not very useful.




Not a single study on the efficacy of vaccines has had a control group. When I asked why, I was told it was "unethical".

So either, vaccine studies are "not good ones" as you say, or you perhaps have overlooked something?


LMGTFY

It was difficult, but I got these two:

(1954) Salk study of anti polio vaccine: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1114166/

(2009) Pregnancy and infant results after anti human papillomavirus: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19935017

There are probably more, but they are difficult to find.


Neither of these studies did they control for who was exposed to the actual disease.

As far as I have found, the only experiments that did do this were completely unethical, and have not been repeated in modern western science: (that I know of)

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-medic...

http://www.auschwitz.dk/Bullenhuser.htm


The control group was exposed to the actual disease at the same rate than the treatment group. The idea is that both groups get almost the same treatment.

If the groups are big enough, you expect from statistic that both groups would have a similar number of ill people without treatment and a similar number and type of "sede effect"without treatment. So the difference can be atribute to the drug/vaccine, if statistically significant.

A study were all the participants are exposed on purpose to the disease is very difficult to justify, with or without control group. Perhaps a vaccine for a strain of cold, that is an illness with a very low rate of deadly complications?


>The control group was exposed to the actual disease _at the same rate_ than the treatment group.

Can you show me where this is demonstrated?

>A study were all the participants are exposed on purpose to the disease is very difficult to justify, with or without control group.

I agree, solid scientific study on vaccines is nearly immoral.

So from a dispassionate scientific perspective, it seems reasonable to state the science on vaccines is not settled.




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