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Facebook Derivatives: Wall Street Goes Rogue-er (kedrosky.com)
71 points by cwan on Nov 24, 2010 | hide | past | favorite | 62 comments



Well, derivatives all have to somehow tie back to the underlying. Should be interesting to see the financial engineering on this.

Depends on the way they'll do this, one way is that they could approach some major stakeholders of Facebook (e.g., a pool of employees with vested or unvested employee stock options) and draw up some agreement with that entity to buy the rights to buy these stock options at a whole-sale strike price (let's say $0.05/share to buy the share at $75).Then the brokerage firms will chop these options to different strike price bins and re-distribute to investors (e.g., $0.15/share for the right to buy the share at $75, $10.15/share for the right to buy the share at $65; with the broker collecting a $0.10/share underwriting fees.).

So you are buying an option at a certain strike price to buy a potentially unvested option to buy a illiquid, pre-IPO stock at a certain strike price. If this was Google in 1999, someone is going to be rich. But since it is my opinion that Facebook is going to the way of AOL, I wouldn't buy into it; but then again, it depends on when Facebook is going to IPO and if it is before the Web 2.0 exuberance dies down.


If you read the Businessweek article he quotes from, the investors are buying shares in an entity that does nothing but own shares of facebook. Shares that they presumably bought on a private secondary market like the one detailed in http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2008/08/a-secondary-mar.html It sounds rather like a bucket shop to me, and those were made illegal for some fairly good reasons.


No Bucket Shops are where an entity says trades are going to take place and then doesn't execute them.

This is just a pretty standard private investment setup, that just happens to own a single stock.

Even if owning the single stock was a problem - and I don't think it is - working around it would be trivial. They could invest small amounts in a number of very low value stocks or in very stable stocks. Both those strategies would meet any hypothetical "diversification requirement" (which I don't think exists) without materially changing their exposure to Facebook.


Embarrassingly, I always though bucket shops meant something else. (I thought that this is what you call brokers with heavy flow that could cross much of their traffic internally without going to the exchange.)


I believe your definition is correct. My understanding is that the way bucket shops operate is that they are the customer's counterparty. So if you buy stock, they short it in equal amounts.

The business model, at least in the 1920's, was to get customers to take big positions on margin, then to manipulate the actual stock (on an actual exchange) to the point that customers were wiped out. If the manipulation cost less than what the customers put up, the bucket shop would win.

People occasionally accuse forex companies of doing something similar, but the market is probably too deep for any retail-facing forex company to successfully manipulate prices like this.

Reminisces of a Stock Market Operator talks about bucket shops--and trading against them--in detail.


> (I thought that this is what you call brokers with heavy flow that could cross much of their traffic internally without going to the exchange.)

What you describe here sounds like dark pools[1].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pools_of_liquidity


I think they generally don't go to the exchange, but yeah, pretty similar.


That's pretty funny. If you'd said that was what it was I'd have believed it (it sounds right, and you worked in finance in NY didn't you?)


I did, but only at legitimate ones :)


...an entity that does nothing but own shares of facebook

You just described an index fund (albeit with only one stock in the index).

Bucket shops are nothing like this - bucket shops are casinos where the source of random numbers is the stock market, but no shares are ever traded.


is an index with just one underlying company actually possible?

I don't think so - we're not talking commodities here, but equity. Every index fund I've seen or traded had multiple underlying assets, even if some of them were derivatives...

BTW, stock market must be pretty bad random number generator...


Slightly off topic, but bucket shops are not dead.

Most, if not all of low end forex (at least the more honest ones spell it out in fine print) is basically a bucket shop.

You are buying(betting) against the house, that is all.


Also legal in the UK. Many retail investors use them, since they offer tax advantages.

http://www.tradefair.com/


they have to reference the underlying, but they don't have to involve delivery of the underlying. E.g you could define an index based on the valuation of facebook as implied by recent stock trades, and trade the index value, like a CFD.


This seems a pretty unconventional use of the word derivatives.

Unless I'm missing something, the story here is that people are pooling money to setup a company to invest in Facebook. That's just normal investing - exactly like investing in a VC fund that invested in Facebook.

I suppose technically they are investing in a Facebook derivative, because they get returns from the investment company rather than Facebook stock directly. But people don't say a Vangaurd find is a Walmart derivative just because it invests in Walmart, nor do they say investing in the Accel Funx X (which funded Facebook) is investing in a Facebook derivative.


Note that this guy's blog seems to be mostly about ragging on the financial industry and how it's going to kill us all. Using scary words like 'derivatives' is much more effective for that sort of fear-mongering than using 'investment fund' which was much less tainted by the economic woes of the last few years.


Umm, for one thing, the description of the instruments as "derivatives" is not due to Kedrosky, but to Avi Levy, the author of the Bloomberg article he was quoting. You did see that he was quoting another article, didn't you?

Also, it's not a "scare word" in this context at all. It's a fairly neutral term, and an accurate enough description of what these investment firms are doing (even if they chose to use other words to market these instruments).


He still was all too happy to adopt the term, and not make any reservations on its use, wasn't he?

Of course it's technically a neutral term. But in this context, it is a scare word. When you write a blog that seems to be a pop topic blog for a wide audience, in today's world 'derivative' is a scare word. The average news paper reader hadn't heard about 'derivatives' before 2008, and since then he heard about it every week, usually in the context of how much money they have cost some firm, how much money they have cost the tax payer, how much money they have cost pension funds, or how much money they have made for those greedy bankers in Wall Street, London, Frankfurt or wherever - or a combination thereof.

So yes, 'derivative' is a term with negative connotations to the wider public. It is one of the words that are now associated with irresponsible risk and money out of thin air. It's irrational to blame the use on the instrument, but hey, it's an irrational world out there.


Paul Kedorsky is actually a well respected blogger who has just signed a partnership deal with Bloomberg: http://inside.bloomberg.com/blog/2010/11/paul-kedrosky-joins...


I didn't know him, I just did a quick scan of his blog, at least the articles on finance, which seem to be limited to posts in which he can find something snarky to say about Wall Street or macro economic policy. Plus the blog is titled 'Infectious greed', of course.

But yes he does seem to have a Master's and Doctorate in finance, and he's worked in the financial industry; it looks like he's not a complete quack. But his blog is not a balanced, objective study of economics, either - it's more infotainment than academic discourse (at least that's my impression after a 5 minute visit of it).


I have also never seen the word derivatives used in this context. Isn't "derivatives" usually used to describe options, futures, warrants, etc?

Derivatives in that sense are used to add some leverage on a bet and are known for their high risk, compared to the risk in directly owning their underlying equity securities. They aren't directly related to the underlying (same idea in calculus: y = f(x) ≠ dy/dx). I don't see how this adds additional risk in addition to the risk associated directly with owning Facebook stock.

While this technically is a derivative (underlying is Facebook stock), I think using the term "Facebook derivative" is a bit misleading.


Yea, the category of derivatives is actually quite broad. Options, futures, forwards, etc. are all derivatives - in that they derive their value indirectly from the underlying assets, but they're traded so broadly that the specific names make more since.

I believe these are derivative because they aren't buying the stock directly, but purchasing rights to them.

This is done to Fortune 500 CEOs option/stock pools to sell off their rights to purchase others' rights to their stock for the sake of diversification without selling publicly and causing a scare - to the board or investors.


I am an investor in the Felix fund mentioned in the business week article. All they did is buy up several million dollars of Facebook stock from original shareholders, put it into a simple LLC, and then sell shares of that LLC. Investors pay an upfront transaction fee on the investment, a minimal operational cost, and then a fee on the backend if there is a liquidation event but only after the investor gets 100% of their investment back.

This is very similar to how traditional VC funds are structured and the only reason this is getting press is because it is another story about Facebook.

These funds actually do a service for the original Facebook shareholders because it allows them to take some cash off the table, rather than waiting for the IPO.


Given that it is considerably more difficult to change the shareholder structure of an LLC than an Inc. -- which is the reason institutional investors don't like startups that are LLCs -- an LLC is a rather strange choice of structure for this investment vehicle entity.


No idea. But I will ask because now I'm curious.


Any ideas about why they are calling these investments, "derivatives"? Capital markets aren't unfamiliar to this publication.


Because they are a type of derivatives. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_%28finance%29 for more on that. (Also my explanation at http://bentilly.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-are-financial-deri... has some interesting points.)


Still not convinced that derivative is the correct way to describe this (assuming that billboebel's comment is accurate). I'd prefer if they called it securitization.

It's possible that the funds offering statement lays out a clear goal, but also provides enough flexibility to employ some fancy engineering techniques. Then they raise funds and put the capital to work. Due to the illiquid nature of the target company, it wouldn't be surprising if the fund assets end up being a mix of synthetics, equity shares and employee stock options.

Regardless, the article doesn't really provide enough information to draw a firm conclusion.


Investors should steer clear of this, leave this for the speculators who have money to throw away. You're investing in an instrument that is leveraged against a company who's financial details are not public knowledge. This is a very dangerous situation as you're unable to make an objective assessment of the underlying value.


Investing is often dangerous. If you invest in a mining exploration company, you're investing in minerals which may or may not be in the ground, and a management which may or may not have the acumen to extract them.

People who think they have edge will invest, and so will some people who don't have a clue what they're doing. Some people will fit into both categories. I think that's true of investing generally.

    you're unable to make an objective assessment of
    the underlying value
I'm not contradicting you here, but developing this idea. I'm always interested to hear the justification that people give for investing in blue-chip technology stocks like Apple and Google. They rarely deliver a dividend and some companies have a stated policy of not doing so. What's an objective assessment for the value of a company that's too big to be acquired, and which has committed to not delivering a dividend?


After decades of growth, they will grow old and fat and give up and pay dividends, like Microsoft. And when that day comes, the decades of not paying dividends will finally pay off in terms of the stratospheric heights the company has grown to.

Which would be a far more convincing argument if it wasn't the fashionable thing in the tech industry to try as hard as possible to never grow old and fat.


Your comment makes me nostalgic for the times when much of anything was traded based on an objective assessment of its underlying value. Despite the crash of 08 and subsequent deleveraging, we are still several generations removed from trading on fundamentals. Trading today is more about AI trader bots battling each other for a fraction of a cent of spread in the millisecond timescale than making a rational projection about the future profit potential of the company at the year or decade timescale. Like most other derivatives, this is a side bet, and Wall Street loves offering side bets on anything. You can even buy weather derivatives to hedge against rainy days, if that matters to you.


I hate to defend the Street because most people in the industry are self-righteous duches. But then again so are most people who think that their latest RoR Web2.0 project are going to change the world, just poorer duches.

Just facts,

1) Creating a derivative market on Facebook employee options creates value for the Facebook employees because it means that they can now sell their options in a more liquid and better-priced market for cash (to potentially finance their kids education, help buy for a house or for hookers).

2) High frequency/automated trading tightens the bid-ask spread of stocks and does away with the "old boys" network of market-makers; making the purchase of stocks for both mutual funds/retail investors cheaper by $0.02/share-$0.05/share; at a volume of 4+ billion shares daily average volume. These cents add up to savings for market participants. But these machines could also turn around and manipulate the market and help save for hookers for traders/programmers who run them.

3) Weather derivatives, like other derivatives do have intrinsic values. For hedgers (such as hotels/ski slopes/airline industry/agriculture harvest that could be severely affected by inclement weather), they are insurance policies against risk that they are not willing to bear and help ensure that these businesses stay in business. However, if you have an army of Physics PhD who could model the risk/probability in weather derivatives; you could sell these insurance policies and make money to get hookers.


That's the surprising thing I took away from reading quite a lot about the financial crisis - most of the trading makes perfect sense, and seems quite reasonable, when looked at in isolation.

In "A Colossal Failure of Common Sense" there is a description of trading in distressed corporate bonds - I always wondered how you actually make money in bond markets and this was an interesting (to me) example of a scenario where what they were doing was obviously profitable and useful.


3) http://weatherbill.com/ (army of ex-Googlers, no direct business relationship but we have investors in common)


Your ideas on using financial markets to pay for hookers are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.


"Unbelievable, dangerous, greed-headed and yet another example of the craven idiocy of what passes for regulatory oversight in this country."

He provides no justification for this statement. Why is it these things? Given the title of his blog, I'm assuming he has a pre-disposed bias on such matters.


One jump ahead of the lawmen. Impressive.

I would think this is heading for trouble, though. The SEC and public policy in this area are oriented toward protecting non-accredited investors (let's call them "noobs") from the potential hazards of stock ownership (getting "pwned").

Now that being public (and even widely-held) is onerous, setting up a noob-free server (a private market) seems like a win. The company gets liquidity, the noobs have no chance of getting pwned, everyone should be happy.

But this particular innovation is a little concerning, because it's primarily going to appeal to noobs and the total amount of noobs at risk of pwnage can get much larger than intended. That's when the regulators are going to step in. So as clever as this seems, this is just begging for trouble.


This isn't about avoiding non-accredited investor laws, it's about the 499 shareholder limit for non-financial disclosure.

Google ran into the same problem in the run-up to their IPO


It is primarily about that (q.v. my post on RSUs). But if this reaches an extreme where hundreds of non-accredited investors (very) indirectly hold ownership in a private company, it's far more likely to raise regulatory and legislative eyebrows.

Today, I presume they don't need to hassle with non-accredited investors because the demand is so huge. But the door would seem to be open to this in the future since there's not much to stop it, possibly apart from Facebook's control over transactions.

I admit it's a far-ahead concern. But it's a real danger.


Don't non-accredited investor regulations only kick in under a certain investment floor under SEC regulations?

They do here in most of Europe, there are plenty of shady investment opportunities here for people with more than 50k to invest - to the point where my spidey sense starts to tingle when I see a commercial on TV saying 'minimum inlay 50k'.

(come to think of it, haven't seen many of them over the last year or so - a couple of people went to jail or worse over some real estate funds gone sour, seems to have stopped that industry dead in its tracks).


Sounds like an ETF that invests in private companies. I don't see a big deal.

It's not much different than NYSE:GLD.

If people feel that it's a poor investment strategy they don't need to invest in it. This whole model is probably a phenomenal way to get public money into a private company and avoid all that regulatory BS that public companies need to go through. (Note: If you think the regulations are great then just avoid investing in this kind of company)


> By creating derivatives of the stock, the investment firms are helping Facebook keep its shareholder count at 499 or less, the maximum number a company can have before it has to disclose results to the public.

Out of curiosity, what does this imply for stock options? Are people who exercise them included in this count?


Yes, they would be. So as a result, there are not a lot of stock options floating around anymore.

They have been replaced by, you guessed it, derivatives.


Facebook apparently has 1700+ employees, though: does that mean those who joined at the 500+ mark were either not granted options, or are not exercising them? That seems strange to me. Assuming I was given options in a fast-growing company, I'd want to buy them as and when they vested, to have some protection against dilution :)


Facebook got an SEC waiver to go over 500 shareholders -

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2008/tc200...

The second market in Facebook is definitely pushing the envelope, a role of the SEC is to make sure people don't get ripped off and are treated fairly.

Clearly promoters shouldn't be able to sell private unvetted securities to the public without registering and going IPO on a public exchange. But it's also not clear it's in the public interest to have second markets only the well-heeled have access to, and that are not subject to public securities regulation, public price discovery and disclosure through K and Q filings. Maybe it's also not right to force Facebook to choose between going public prematurely and issuing shares/options to employees, but at some point for those shares to be properly valued the stock has to be publicly traded.

When they got the exemption they said it was just to give shares to employees, not to create a second market. The rules are getting rewritten (or Wall Street is running rings around them as Kedrosky says).


Wow! I missed that; I thought there was still a need to do a lot of wrangling. If they have a blanket exception then that's something else.

I fundamentally like the second market idea a lot because I like private companies staying private for as long as they want while still giving employees options for ownership that are at least somewhat liquid. It's really fascinating to see the mechanisms involve creaking at the joints a little, but I think the idea is solid.


I heard they started issuing restricted stock units instead of options three years ago. They are rights to stock, like a risk-free, cost-free stock option. Now, allegedly, the twist is that they vest when the company becomes public.

In any case, the company presumably has a right of first refusal clause on their stock, which means that Facebook can match any stock buyer's offer themselves, or broker a trade to someone else instead. That's only in case of emergencies, though.

A lot of other companies did so around that time, since this was following the accounting standards change which required options to be expensed. If you're going to expense options, you might as well expense something more flexible.


I'm not familiar with SEC regulations, but would putting the options for a pool of employees into a separate LLC or trust be enough to circumvent this 500 people rule? Or would all shareholders/beneficiaries be counted separate?


> there are not a lot of stock options floating around anymore.

> They have been replaced by, you guessed it, derivatives.

Stock options are derivatives. I'm not sure what distinction you are making. It seems like the term is being used for scare-mongering rather than serious analytical discussion.


Sure, I just meant that they were replaced by a more exotic instrument. That's not a bad thing -- RSUs are way better for employees IMHO.

But yes, I am poking fun at the problem solving methodology which says "just make a more complicated derivative."


Investors in private companies need to be accredited per SEC regulations (correct?) [1]. Do investors in these derivatives also need to be accredited?

Clearly, "because private-company financials are opaque" investing in the derivatives is speculative. The securitization of Facebook shares is not inherently "evil", but the issues arise if/when these derivatives are misunderstood and overly available for public consumption.

[1] http://www.sec.gov/answers/accred.htm


Since they're actually investing in an LLC, the rules (search "506 offering") would be the same. It can only be "sophisticated" investors and no more than 35 can be non-accredited.

Note that there can be no solicitation or advertising of the offering to the general public. In practice, as you can see, this means you can leak all the details to Bloomberg but then cannot comment for the story. Because, you see, that would be solicitation.


Yes, you need to be accredited (I am an investor in one of these funds)


Most interesting is that for each of these long positions, there's a short.

The key is that these derivatives are synthetic shares of facebook, not true equity. When available/required, the fund will acquire these shares.

The difference btw this and mortgage CDS, is that this is "equity", not debt.

That's my reading of it anyway. Here's another attempt at an over-simplified explanation: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1936037


As I understand it, there's no long here; there's no other party promising to pay a certain amount for each share. They just bought options from the people who had them and in case of an IPO, there will be (hopefully) a cash fountain that the investors in this company get to tap into. And if the IPO turns out to be less than whatever they paid for the options, tough luck.

In other words, it seems like all assets are paid for already with the inlay of the shareholders of the investment vehicle. So I think that disqualifies it as a long, where no cash changes hands at the time the deal is done, no?


Depends on how you look at it. The current shareholders of Facebook did not actually sell the stock. They just sold rights to the stock options. So if you net out their position, there's no short. If you do not net out their position, there's a long and an equal short for them, and another long in the new investment company.


Maybe it comes down to the definition of 'long', I don't know if there is a well-established one. But since these people who the options were bought from presumably have contractual valuations of these options, it seems to me that there is no risk in the deal, except for the valuation at IPO of Facebook stock. Thinking of it, maybe it's the same as a 'regular' long, i.e. a non-naked one (I guess there's a real term for it ;) ) I originally had a mental comparison with naked longs in mind, in which case the risk profiles would deviate much more from the construction in the article; but yes if you compare it to a long on an asset someone already has, it may not be that different.

Then again it seems to be that the scary stories and the bad image of shorts and longs are about the naked variants, and that this is implicit in the article. That may just come from my lack of grasp on the subject.


Interesting times. You can see the new IT bubble grow larger every day. And, just like back then, all kinds of strange 'new' investment schemes form.


Is there any good resources to learn about derivatives, options, etc? The nomenclature of finance is extremely difficult to understand.


They're reasonably straightforward concepts in themselves (I originally learnt shorting from the wiki page), but I struggled to make the jump to get a feel for them, to be able to build thoughts using them, rather than look on as an outsider. What Heinlein calls "to grok".

Here's a puzzle in the spirit of building the series of logical gates by combining NAND gates. You could learn enough about the concepts using wikipedia. Consider a scenario: the government bans short-selling. Your task: find a way you could synthesise a short using just forwards.

What are some practical considerations that might make it less practical to do this than pre-ban shorting?

I find that when I understand how something emerged, I have a good feel for it. A lot of these concepts go back a long way - stock practices that developed through trading stock of the dutch east india company. For this reason, I'd recommend Niall Ferguson, _The Ascent of Money_. Das _Traders, Guns and Money_ is a good read. I couldn't follow all of it when I read it, but found it to be good for feel.

There's a late 20th century writer John Kenneth Galbraith who wrote some good histories. I like _the end of uncertainty_ but it's hard to get. He wrote others that will be fine.

It would probably be useful to read a book about Drexel Burnham Lambert, and how Milken developed their junk bond trades. I don't know of one, perhaps someone else can recommend.

For broader economic picture stuff, I recommend Hazlitt _Economics in One Lesson_; Schiff _How an Economy Grows and Why It Crashes_; Soros, _The New Paradigm for Financial Markets: The Credit Crisis of 2008 and What It Means_.


The Predator's Ball and Den of Thieves for Milken & Drexel. Avoid Payback (about Milken) as it goes off on a stupid tangent.




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