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Lifetime Mixpanel.com Startup Plan - $17 (appsumo.com)
108 points by jackowayed on Nov 22, 2010 | hide | past | favorite | 64 comments



At the risk of being negative, can I just say that for me, as a consumer or customer, when companies start offering lifetime deals for a one-time fee, it's a huge red flag.

Why? Because often it's a desperate move done by a company to generate cash flow. It's not ultimately sustainable either. Theoretically you could be providing that same service 10+ years down the track. You might (reasonably) assume some attrition in the time but you get my point.

Too many times I've seen this done as a company's last move before filing for bankruptcy. Disclaimer: I'm speaking generally here. I know nothing of Mixpanel's circumstances (financial or otherwise) and certainly don't mean to impugn them, their management team, their founders or their employees.

Providing a free service is different. Typically this is done as a "freemium" model where you hope a certain percentage of free users will later convert to paying users. People know this and have a different level of expectation than for something they've paid for, even if that something is a nominal one-off fee (you and they may also disagree about what constitutes "nominal").

As a paid service, due to consumer protection, etc you may have to meet a higher standard but IANAL.


> Because often it's a desperate move done by a company to generate cash flow

I think that in this case that's not what's happening. These kind of deals(a la groupon) are to generate awareness about the brand, and hopefully future clients, and not to generate money.


More likely, they will soon raise their free limits or make more levels free, hence the offer will slowly loose its value over time (but still a good deal if you use it in the next year or two, depending on how fast the above happens).


Hey guys this has gotten out of hand - we were doing it manually initially but it won't scale. I'm going to write some code to automate it and the appsumo guys will email with confirmation codes in the morning.

Sorry for the delay, anyone who bought it and hasn't heard back from us yet.


First off. I love what you're doing and would like to say thanks for such a great offer/deal.

I would just like to confirm the 500,000 data points as AppSumo now states that the offer is for only for 100,000 per month.


The first 500 will get the startup plan at (500k), the next 500 will get basic plan (100k). Then it's over. Did NOT expect this to be so hot.


I bought the startup plan some 10 hours ago, sent in an email but never received any follow up.

I've just checked my Appsumo account and see that the startup plan has been downgraded to basic. Will customers after the 1000 mark get anything or are you guys planning to refund?

(I think also think it is wrong of you guys to modify invoices which is supposed to be a record and agreement of a transaction.)


I am with you, bought it 9 hours ago. I just checked my invoice now and the content indeed modified from "startup plan" into "basic plan". for the record, when I buy it, it was still "startup plan" and it still showed me that i bought 500k points in startup plan. I hope someone from mixpanel can answer this, i think it is very wrong to change invoice content like this.

my email: admin1 at poshtech com


I've noticed the same thing. While I understand the need to limit liability, I'm not happy about the bait and switch. I'm sure it doesn't build the goodwill that they were hoping for...


Also noticed the change to my invoice this morning when I went to evangelize this deal with my boss and co-workers. Not such a great deal IMO now that it's only 100k. Also the mention here that if I ever go over that number (now 100k down from 500k), my lifetime account is forfeit* ? Who do I need to contact to get a few questions answered?

* http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1932120


I just wanted to update the above: I got my registration code and while the email and new invoice said basic plan, I have 510k events/m in my account now after using the code. I couldn't be happier about this, thank you guys so much!


Doh, didn't realize that! Ah well, I guess I'm only getting basic :-( I don't even have a project underhand now, I just figure it will be useful for the future.

For other people on the fence, I'd suggest getting this now while you still can! I loved using Mixpanel in the past (although, I did think it was a bit pricey ;-)). The fact that I could send in events from my server made it far superior to GA. It meant that I could, for example, build funnels for emails I was sending out (send -> open -> click -> completion). Their HTTP API was easy enough to use that I wrote my own lisp (drakma-based) library to interact with it in under a few hours.

They used to have some scaling pains (multiple days delay on getting data processed), but that was all fixed towards the end. The support is great too - I got Suhail on the phone instantly when I was having trouble with something.


How do we know if we were in the 500k group? When I purchased it last night it was very clearly still labeled as 500k. This was just before 8 pm PST.


No problem. I'm glad to say that I was in when it counted! The others... well, that's their loss. Again, love what you're doing. Please keep it up.


This is insane. I can't answer emails fast enough right now. Thanks for your support everyone!


Exceeding your data plan will result in either a prorated overage charge based on your plan's current cost per point, or an automatic plan upgrade. We will always choose the cheaper option.

Hmmm this is a bit worrying.. rather than just stopping tracking they just charge you more


This makes sense to me. I would be quite unhappy if a traffic spike caused my analytics package to stop working.


Could keep tracking but give the option to pay and see the reports or not pay and miss out on them?


I don't get it - is that $17 per month or $17 one-time fee?


According to their twitter account, it's a single one-time fee (http://twitter.com/AppSumo). I just got upgraded, and now I have 510k free data points to play with!


You might want to remove that email address, opens it for abuse, it's possible they're not verifying and trusting secrecy with the email.


So you had an account before and it worked?

I have on account, but I'm not a customer. I wonder if this deal applies to me too.


Yep, as long as you're not already a paying customer.


sweet deal!


It's a one-time fee.

//cofounder @ mixpanel


Awesome, that's a great price.

Did Noah do the "$1500 value" thingy on appsumo.com? I'm interested in where that figure came from, it doesn't seem to make any sense if this is a one time fee for the $150/m account.


It was hard to figure out the price since it's lifetime. May just call it priceless...


If you have a credit card form there on the page, why are you requiring a PayPal account? I was going to get this deal, but since PayPal is being a bit of an asshole to me personally, I can not. Can there be another way?

Note: all this assumes noahkagan is from appsumo.


I just bought it after talking to Noah on the site's chat for a bit. The PayPal account bit is optional (I just entered CC info, no account, although PayPal may still be the payment processor).


They are not requiring a PayPal account. I just signed up and didn't use it at all, just credit card.


Figured that out finally. The enter key is tied to the first button on the form, that being the Paypal button, :/.

There's a different problem now, though.


"Value $∞"?


I'm not sure where that number came from actually - but it sure sounds nice eh?


What happens when the 500k quota is exceeded? What is the pro-rated price per point based on? ($150/500K) per point?


The billing doesn't actually transfer over from AppSumo, so if you go over this plan you'll need to sign up for a real paid account.


Good catch Max. I'd initially assumed it was $17 one-time from the headline, but given that the normal cost of this plan is $150/month $17/month seems more likely.

Noah's on HN though, perhaps he can clarify?


Also, is that 500,000 data points per month or overall?


per month.


Not using mixpanel right now (was using it a while ago) and I bought the plan just because. I'm sure it's going to come in handy.


I did the same. We're launching another site soon, so it may work as an experiment there. $17 is impossible to say no to, even if it never gets used.

Although I have to wonder why $17? Seems rather arbitrary.


I'm sure they crunched the numbers to figure out the optimal price that allowed them to profit on an upsell later ;)


I have several web sites, can I share them with a single account?


I think that a feature request for AppSumo would be a Deal Counter. The idea would be that once a deal hits a specific threshold (say 100), the deal would begin to advertise that there are X number remaining. This would avoid any confusion about what people are purchasing and a way to entice people to purchase.


Bought it, I'd been wanting to get onto mixpanel anyway, but their free limits are pretty low.


Unless you aren't charging your users money, you will make that money back from improved retention.


This is a great deal no doubt.. But don't see the benefit of choosing Mixpanel over Google Analytics. The one thing I see different is that Mixpanel can break the chart down to the hour.


What's "YC Week"? Different YC companies every day?


Thank you Mixpanel. Off to make a billion.


Bought it. Now finally going to integrate funnel analytics. Thanks for the great deal and kick in the ass!


I signed up for the startup plan yesterday and followed the instructions that appsumo sent off to me, but my account has yet to be upgraded. My initial email to the mixpanel server keeps bouncing back. Has anyone else had this issue?


This is a great deal!

The majority of website owners refuse to pay for analytics, and instead opt for GA. I think we're seeing the effects of this with heavy discounts for low traffic sites from both KissMetrics and MixPanel.


You'd be surprised.


i feel like the basic plan is not that good of a deal...after all you offer it just for adding a badge on the site: http://mixpanel.com/free/


Awesome deal. The "register and email free+appsumo@mixpanel.com" part is pretty janky though. It should handle that automatically.

For $17 though I'm still a happy camper.


Can someone provide clarification on this step? You pay them; you get to that page; and now what? sign up for a free account and send off an email?


I registered, then emailed saying "hey, I signed up for the appsumo deal, invoice ID is... and my email address is..." and they got back to me within 30 mins with my upgraded account :)


I agree. Not clear at all. I bought the deal from appsumo, registered an account on mixpanel and emailed "free+appsumo@mixpanel.com" from the same email. Will see if it works.


I'm assuming Mixpanel works fine with a mobile site. What about a mobile app? Would you just put the hooks into your backend?



Umm...realized that I phrased that last sentence pretty poorly. But you know what I mean.


They basically extended the free account from 10 000 to 500 000 points a month.

Enough to handle something like 20 points/events per minute


Can I buy it now, and create an account some time in the future and will I still get the lifetime startup plan?


So I would like to get into realtime web analytics. What other tools are there? Which provdide mouse events / heatmaps?


So alternatives with heatmaps are: seevolution, reinvigorate, crazyegg, clicktale Why would I choose Mixpanel?




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