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1. decriminalization of drugs use

2. public healthcare

3. state-funded homeless shelters

And then not only you don't have a problem with all these undesirables messing up your public toilets - you also don't have a significant part of your society wasting their lives.

Oh but that would literally be communism, right. Carry on, then.




The homeless problem on the west coast has become much worse in the past decade or so. Drugs have been criminalized, healthcare for the poor has been crappy and state funded homeless shelters have been practically non-existent for far longer than that. I don't think any of those will do any more than make some small dents in the problem.


Maybe costs of living increased compared to low-end salaries in the recent years?

Something had to change, it's not normal to have so many homeless people that it becomes a practical concern.


1. Drug use was not a crime few decades bug. Smoking is not a crime today. It tried before. It doesn't work. 2. Public healthcare is working well if you are not interested in result. It tried before. It doesn't work. 3. Nobody will pay ever penny to care about zero cost homes. It tried before. It doesn't work.


> It tried before. It doesn't work.

It works in Portugal.

> Public healthcare is working well if you are not interested in result. It tried before. It doesn't work

Public healthcare works in almost every country on Earth, and in most of developed countries it works really well. At least better than that in USA (looking at the life expectancy).

> Nobody will pay ever penny to care about zero cost homes. It tried before. It doesn't work.

They won't have a choice. That's what taxes are for.


> It works in Portugal.

Is number of drug uses reduced? Nope. It risen.

Is criminal drug activity reduced? Nope. It risen.

So, what exactly "works" in Portugal?

> Public healthcare works in almost every country on Earth, and in most of developed countries it works really well. At least better than that in USA (looking at the life expectancy).

If you are not a drug user, your life expectancy is at same level as in Europe.

I have personal experience with public health care. Public healthcare is interested in popping you out of clinic as fast as possible.

For example, I received no treatment for my little pain in the back until I was unable to move. In result, I spent more than year in bed. Private clinic identified my problem _decade_ before, but their results were ignored by government clinic. I was stupid enough to trust government clinic. And so on. I can tell a lot if you want to listen.

> That's what taxes are for.

I want to be homeless then.


> Is number of drug uses reduced? Nope. It risen. > Is criminal drug activity reduced? Nope. It risen.

Sources please.

> So, what exactly "works" in Portugal?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal#Observ...

- Increased uptake of treatment (roughly 60% increase as of 2012.)[12]

- Reduction in new HIV diagnoses amongst drug users by 17%[19] and a general drop of 90% in drug-related HIV infection

- Reduction in drug related deaths, although this reduction has decreased in later years. The number of drug related deaths is now almost on the same level as before the Drug strategy was implemented.[12][19] However, this may be accounted for by improvement in measurement practices, which includes a doubling of toxicological autopsies now being performed, meaning that more drugs related deaths are likely to be recorded.[20]

- Reported lifetime use of "all illicit drugs" increased from 7.8% to 12%, lifetime use of cannabis increased from 7.6% to 11.7%, cocaine use more than doubled, from 0.9% to 1.9%, ecstasy nearly doubled from 0.7% to 1.3%, and heroin increased from 0.7% to 1.1%[19] It has been proposed[by whom?] that this effect may have been related to the candor of interviewees, who may have been inclined to answer more truthfully due to a reduction in the stigma associated with drug use.[20] However, during the same period, the use of heroin and cannabis also increased in Spain and Italy, where drugs for personal use was decriminalised many years earlier than in Portugal [20][21] while the use of Cannabis and heroin decreased in the rest of Western Europe.[22][23] The increase in drug use observed among adults in Portugal was not greater than that seen in nearby countries that did not change their drug laws.[24]

- Drug use among adolescents (13-15 yrs) and "problematic" users declined.[20]

- Drug-related criminal justice workloads decreased.[20]

- Decreased street value of most illicit drugs, some significantly

- The number of drug related deaths has reduced from 131 in 2001 to 20 in 2008.[25] As of 2012, Portugal's drug death toll sat at 3 per million, in comparison to the EU average of 17.3 per million.

- Homicide rate increased from 1.13 per 100 000 in 2000 to 1.76 in 2007, then decreased to 0.96 in 2015

Seems good to me.

> If you are not a drug user, your life expectancy is at same level as in Europe.

Sources please.

> I have personal experience with public health care.

Anegdotal evidence.

> I want to be homeless then.

Nobody's stopping you.


> Nobody will pay ever penny to care about zero cost homes.

I'm 100% opposed to this sort of thing being state-funded (I'm an AnCap), but I have to disagree with you here. I've personally subsidized housing for people who I've met that I believed were honestly trying to escape homelessness.

Most people's politics aren't as extreme as my own, but the mere existing of private, non-profit homeless shelters falsifies your idea that no one will help pay for zero cost homes.


Subsidized home is not equal to free home.




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