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In the 70’s she said, “I believe it would demean Nobel Prizes if they were awarded to research students, except in very exceptional cases, and I do not believe this is one of them.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocelyn_Bell_Burnell

The last paragraph of the article seems to give a brief insight into her position now on why she was excluded.

“The money will be handed to the Institute of Physics to fund PhD studentships for people underrepresented in physics. “A lot of the pulsar story happened because I was a minority person and a PhD student,” she said. “Increasing the diversity in physics could lead to all sorts of good things”

She slighly expands on that in the BBC coverage.

“The former president of the Institute of Physics (IOP) believes that it was because she was from a minority group herself that she had the fresh ideas required to make her discovery as a young student at Cambridge University more than 50 years ago.

"I found pulsars because I was a minority person and feeling a bit overawed at Cambridge. I was both female but also from the north-west of the country and I think everybody else around me was southern English," she said.

"So I have this hunch that minority folk bring a fresh angle on things and that is often a very productive thing. In general, a lot of breakthroughs come from left field."”

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/scienc...

Giving all the winnings to the cause is impressive.




FYI she still adamantly has the view that it was correct not to have been awarded the Nobel prize; not because the award wasnt sexist etc. but on the original grounds of being a research student.

It was somewhat sad that the bbc interview this morning was insistent on making the story about balancing the scales over not being awarded the nobel.

She was pretty passionate about pushing the story toward her latter point about the benefits of diversity in any field. Her clarity of vision on this was wonderful.

I feel the media have rather got lost/muddled on her point, which is a shame.


I see her point, but I disagree and think that given her contributions, she should at least have shared the award.

Also, she's from Norn Iron which I didn't realize and am really rather pleased to see.

Lastly, I'd love to get Hewish's take on this:

"The discovery was so dramatic it was awarded the Nobel prize in 1974. But while Hewish was named as a winner, Bell Burnell was not."

What a mensch. This fine fellow sounds like a real David Drumlin.


It's not Hewish's fault. The prize, FWIW, wasn't just for the discovery of pulsars but for the aperture synthesis interferometry technique that made it possible. He didn't do the observation, but he did invent the telescope.

The guys's a legitimate Nobel winner on his own, and let's not tar his name with the Nobel committee's mistake in skipping over Bell.


> The prize, FWIW, wasn't just for the discovery of pulsars but for the aperture synthesis interferometry technique that made it possible.

Ryle's participation in the prize was for aperture synthesis interferometry while Hewish's was for the discovery of pulsars. From [0]:

> The Nobel Prize in Physics 1974 was awarded jointly to Sir Martin Ryle and Antony Hewish "for their pioneering research in radio astrophysics: Ryle for his observations and inventions, in particular of the aperture synthesis technique, and Hewish for his decisive role in the discovery of pulsars."

Aperture synthesis is useful for achieving higher angular resolutions than would otherwise be possible. But pulsars are unresolved and so angular resolution isn't as important for their study (the localization of pulsars can be done very precisely from the modeling of the arrival times of individual pulses). Collecting area (overall sensitivity of the telescope) is the driving consideration for pulsar science.

[0] https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/1974/summary/


I'll not pretend to be schooled on this topic, so I'm happy to defer to you folks on this.

In any case, it would be worth hearing from Anthony Hewish on this matter as I'm inclined to find Sir Fred Hoyle's criticism of the decision quite damning for Hewish.


> believes that it was because she was from a minority group herself that she had the fresh ideas required to make her discovery as a young student at Cambridge University more than 50 years ago.

I'm curious what she means by that. Did she have a particular world view not shared by the other students that helped with this discovery? The article mentions her experiencing the 'imposter syndrome' which caused her to work harder to standout than she would have usually, otherwise she might be exposed as a fraud who doesn't belong (even though she was clearly capable enough to have been at Harvard). But wouldn't a modern inclusive environment have eliminated that feeling?... So I'm curious if there was something else about her own personal experience helped her with that discovery, beyond working harder.


I think it was meant somewhat literally, with her being from 'The North West' - the implication being some godforsaken backwater just shy of Scotland (I'm not being insulting, I'm from the Eastern equivalent), so would have — like a small number of British Scientists — stuck out like a sore thumb in the male-dominated, figuroliteral cloistered Cambridge academia of the time.


Northern Ireland is & was comparatively technically "cultured" (see e.g. Kelvin) and I think Jocelyn Bell Burnell is talking more about being a woman than being from an alien culture.

I went to Cambridge (disastrously) from Dublin about 20 years ago, and I for one definitely experienced implicit bias, culture differences that had to be learnt, different presumed levels of academic preparation, etc. Maybe things have improved a bit now. The typical Cambridge student comes from a very privileged, homogenous British background.


She had been to a private school in England before University, and was only at Cambridge as a postgraduate.


I guess that also explains why George Zweig didn't share the Nobel for the discovery of quarks with Gell-mann

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zweig




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