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That wouldn't stop legal threats. Per Core Secrets leak, NSA/FBI both pay for and force backdoors in U.S. companies' products. They also share that information with other enforcement organizations per other leaks. Cloudfare are in a position to monitor lots of network activity. I'd be quie surprised if they weren't already backdoored.

If NSA/FBI aren't in one's threat profile, one might also be concerned about a court order over something having to do with copyright or patents. Damages for those can be huge. There's both legal and technical firms dedicated to pouring through data for evidence of patent infringements. Many licensing "agreements" start with evidence they find. I don't know much more about this. My wild guess is that they often start with tips from disgruntled workers or maybe those leaving for competitors.

These are main, three threats I'd be concerned about if sharing what I did with a U.S.-based provider. Double true for me given I'm in the jurisdiction of the enforcement agencies.




Cloudflare publishes transparency reports https://www.cloudflare.com/transparency/

It also promises not to store your IP associated with the DNS requests https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/commitment-to-priv... so the law enforcement would have to ask Cloudflare to install a wiretap device.

If you're this worried about being traced, it's probably best not to disclose your IP address at all https://blog.cloudflare.com/welcome-hidden-resolver/


And they would have to hide such a wiretap device from auditors.

Moreover, cloudflare would be in a legal minefield since Mozilla would likely have standing to sue, if cloudflare violates its own terms of service.


Let me be more specific: they might be fined out of existence and/or executives do prison time if they don't comply. They'll also be told to lie to preserve both the collection method and their businesses' success. Read the Lavabit case records to see FBI doing that. So, they'd be forced to comply and lie to you about it in that scenario. In such a scenario, faking transparency reports would support the lie and/or do some good showing they're stopping other threats. It's not all or nothing despite forced backdoors.

So, you basically have to believe the US-based company you trust won't take 8-9 digit bribe, will accept bankruptcy, and/or has people who will do time for your privacy. I don't trust anybody running for-profit companies to do that except for maybe Levison. Even he might change after weighing damage he received vs probably no benefit of principled stand. Maybe he'll stay in the fight, too. Who knows. I do know Cloudfare has financial incentives to take massive investments and/or avoid massive losses. Might work against users at some point.

To be clear, Im a big fan of Cloudfare. They're awesome. There's just upper limit of trust since they're profit-motivated operating in a quasi-police state (ie a Dual State).


All of these involves cloudflare violating terms of service they've made to Mozilla.

Ideally, this would be caught in an audit and ideally Mozilla would be in a position to sue on your behalf.

How many users sue their ISPs over DNS logging, poisoning or other violations of trust.


"All of these involves cloudflare violating terms of service they've made to Mozilla."

Terms of service don't overrule federal law or court orders. That's assuming they'll turn down money. RSA told customers they were buying crypto with no mention of backdoors. Yet, they put one in for about $30 million.

So, a company might willingly violate ToS for a pile of cash or unwillingly do it via legal coercion that comes with secrecy order. Leaks indicated most took the bribes. Many more bribes or coercions might have happened since. So, we should just assume its true with companies in surveillance states with other security practices designed with that assumption baked in.

Also, it might not even matter if one isnt doing anything over those connections that's illegal. The backdoor becomes something probable but irrelevant for those users. From there, Cloudfare protdcts them from relevant-to-them threats like DDOS or delays causing lost sales.




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