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Most Firefox users are absolutely unaffected by this. Literally all people that don’t explicitly enable this. All those who do might want to make up their mind if they want to participate in this and if they want CF to be their provider of trust. Keep in mind that CF will see a substantial chunk of the traffic anyways.

Mozilla seems to be confident in that agreement and I have a certain amount of trust in Mozilla which factors into my decision. Yours might be different, so don’t enable that feature or use a different provider.




FF will turn this on for everybody and Cloudflare will be the default 2018? Don't know. 2019? For sure. All FF browsing meta data flows into the US, the country with the most spies and no legal framework to go to court.

So your argument is an obvious straw man and one wonders about your motivations to support getting all the browsing meta data into the US by default.

Moving my data from Germany to the US will not make me more secure in any way.

And talking about repressed countries is like "think about the children!" for the rest of us - a nice lever to sell this massive data vacuuming.


Why do you believe that this will be default on at any time in the near future without a reasonable configuration UI and without a reasonable set of DoH-capable nameservers? Especially given that this would break a substantial number of existing setupts? If you have this little faith into the FF/Mozilla folks, why do you keep using FF? If you’re not using Firefox, what are you concerned about?


If they don't turn it on by default, only a small number of people will use it. If only a small number of people use it, why bother implementing it?


The section of people that use it might benefit to a very large degree. Or they can make the switch prominent to push adoption. There are a lot of features implemented and hidden behind “about:config” where you could ask the same question. Many of them are for the security and privacy conscious but come with a few strings attached, for example some advanced cookie settings such as third party isolation.

That said: I fully expect that at some point Mozilla will want to push adoption of this feature, but not in its most extreme form. I’d expect that a default configuration would use soft fallback.


Maybe to see if it works?

Which I think is the purpose of almost all experimental feature.

In the blog it is clearly stated that they hope DoH implementations will become standard and common, maybe that even some ISP start offering their own.


Why does so many people distrust every single step done by mozzilla!?

Sorry, this got me emotional, but since I started following tech news few years ago the amount of fake news on mozzilla I read is astounding.

And proper fake news. Many, as this article does, do no claim that a new feature dangerous per se, but falsely (I don't think with purpose, that is what I find astounding) quote mozzilla blogs to build an apocalyptic scenario


In today's world, it's important to remain skeptical of companies who are responsible for how our data and usage statistics are used or shared. Companies have generally shown themselves to be untrustworthy and it's not enough for a company to have been 'good' so far. We need to stay vigilant, even if it is Mozilla.


Totally agree! it is also important to mozzilla to know the won't be easily forgiven bad choices.

I'm wondering why the constant and maybe not even ill-intentioned misinformation about the word they say.

I don't want to accuse anyone, I believe that both side value the truth, but it really looks like as if there was a fake news factory against mozzilla




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