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People are addicted to their phones. It's a fact.

Many apps are designed to be addictive, which doesn't help.




> It's a fact.

You can do a study that proves that someone is "addicted to their phone" just like you can do a study that proves that someone is "addicted to using their car." That doesn't say much about why, so it's kind of a useless "fact."

Theoretically, you can be addicted to the process of using your phone, just like you can be addicted to driving, but I kind of doubt that that's what's driving the majority of what people refer to as "smartphone addiction."

More likely, they're addicted to specific activities that happen to exist on phones. Remove the phone, and they'd still be addicted to those activities; they'd just be doing them somehow else. Escapists gonna escape; socializers gonna socialize; etc.

Facebook or Instagram might be a superstimulus for pulling in a particular kind of competitive narcissists, but I have no doubt that such people would still be trying to show off how great their lives whether the apps were there or not. They just might not feel as much of a reward for doing so—because fewer people would be paying attention—so they might feel a sense of ennui (from this drive of theirs going unfulfilled), rather than a sense of dependence (from it going intermittently fulfilled.)


> Remove the phone, and they'd still be addicted to those activities; they'd just be doing them somehow else.

Not necessarily. A smartphone makes a lot of activities much lower-friction than they would be otherwise, and often much higher-reward. This is enough to drastically change a lot of people's behavior.


The phone has a transformational effect on those activities.

By modifying the pursuit of that activity in a number of ways, the activities become more addictive. It is more frictionless to begin them, reward is provided more instantly, and new ways to gamify the activity increase the dopamine response.

To say it is not the phone is true, in the sense that the phone on its own is not terribly addictive solely as a physical object. But the distinction is somewhat pointless when it has a large "addictiveness coefficient" to other activities.


A smartphone might well be a multiplier for addictive activities, but treating it as the object-of-hatred carries a risk of throwing the baby out with the bath-water.

Hate Facebook, if you like. Hate news services with apps. Hate the addictive ecosystems.

But hating the phone means biasing yourself even against phones with no addictive apps installed on them. It means fomenting a movement to get away from "smarts" in phones altogether, resulting in things like https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/3/1/17066494/li....

"Dumb smartphones" are a cute idea, but also a reactionary one; rather than just curating an apps marketplace to disallow these addictive activities, they entirely preclude this thing in your pocket from being a portable Turing machine, capable of achieving whatever functionalities you might want/need it to.

Consider an alternate world to our own, where we had had an established+successful smartphone-luddist movement for the last 5-10 years, most phones looked like the Light Phone, and you'd be breaking social norms to have a "full-fat" smartphone. Would these exist?

• ride-sharing apps

• WordLens (and its incarnation in Google Translate)

• password managers and TOTP 2FA (and mobile cryptocurrency wallets, if you like)

• podcasts

• maps with buildings and travel-times on them, and solid public-transit routing models

• competent voice-recognition (and thus the leaps-and-bounds-better accessibility for blind users we have today)

• the eBook ecosystem

• DSLR-quality phone cameras

• VoIP apps (and thus, the commoditization of cellular providers)

• streaming video-service mobile apps (and thus, demand for 4G cellular infrastructure)

All of these things are—at least in my opinion—unalloyed goods. None of them are addictive (or are addictive only to the background level of addiction we've already culturally come to terms with in entertainment products); they're just things that allow your smartphone to be the solution to a problem you've already set out to solve.

But, if we spin smartphones themselves as a cultural net-negative, I don't expect we'll see many more of these utility-type innovations.


> All of these things are—at least in my opinion—unalloyed goods.

Sure, many of these things are nice, but phrasing them as "unalloyed goods" I think it extremely one-sided and comes only from a techno-centric perspective. You don't have to be a Luddite to actually consider downsides of the things you mentioned and upsides of their alternatives.

• ride-sharing apps

Call a Taxi, ride a bike, get a ride from a friend, walk. How is a ride sharing app an unalloyed good on a glorious day for a bike ride?

• WordLens (and its incarnation in Google Translate)

Effort put into foreign languages "the hard way"--study, recall, practice--actually strengthens your mental capacity, rather than being spoonfed answers by an AR system automatically that never leaves space for you to grow, never challenges, and instead treats you like a complete know-nothing, which you will remain if you fully rely on it. Learn some language! It's fun!

• password managers and TOTP 2FA (and mobile cryptocurrency wallets, if you like)

I am not sure how a password manager is an unalloyed good? It allows you to have more accounts and more passwords and not remember anything, but it presents a security risk...

• podcasts

Radio. Books. Talking to people.

• maps with buildings and travel-times on them, and solid public-transit routing models

Learning the streets, navigation skills, learning how to read a bus timetable, asking people, talking to people on the subway--asking for directions!!!?

• competent voice-recognition (and thus the leaps-and-bounds-better accessibility for blind users we have today)

People are pretty good voice recognizers. Who do you want to talk to and what for?

• the eBook ecosystem

You got me there. Books are heavy.

• DSLR-quality phone cameras

• VoIP apps (and thus, the commoditization of cellular providers)

I dunno. People pretend like phones didn't exist before mobile phones. There used to be such a thing as payphones on many street corners, if you really really needed to call from somewhere. Hotel lobbies, bars, your friend's house, etc.

• streaming video-service mobile apps (and thus, demand for 4G cellular infrastructure)

For what really? I mean, so you can ignore everything else around you? I don't get it. Why do you just assume this is so much better than the real world? It just isn't!


> • DSLR-quality phone cameras

This is a joke, right?


What Sean Parker says about the whole thing:

He explained that when Facebook was being developed the objective was: “How do we consume as much of your time and conscious attention as possible?” It was this mindset that led to the creation of features such as the “like” button that would give users “a little dopamine hit” to encourage them to upload more content.

“It’s a social-validation feedback loop … exactly the kind of thing that a hacker like myself would come up with, because you’re exploiting a vulnerability in human psychology.”


"We lived on farms, then we lived in cities, and now we're going to live on the internet." - Justin Timberlake


I'm nitpicking a bit, but unless you know that was actually written by JT, I think you should attribute it to The Social Network movie, not to JT.


People attribute the "I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want..." line from "Taken" to Liam Neeson. I'm sorry, but it's a character played by Liam Neeson who said that!

Seems reality and fiction is getting more and more mixed up... especially if you have Ted or Deadpool showing up to talk shows (then again, this isn't a new thing is it, Bugs Bunny showed up on a talk show in the 1990's).


I just thought it would be funny to put Timberlake on the quote since Sean Parker never said it and it's less fun to credit Sorkin.




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