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A list of deals one VC firm passed on -- Google, eBay, Apple, Intel, Fedex, Paypal, etc. (bvp.com)
79 points by smoody on April 22, 2008 | hide | past | favorite | 23 comments



I've always liked this list. BVP is no different from most VC firms in this respect. What's unusual about them is that they're so candid about it.

I was just talking to some founders about what terribly bad judges VCs are, compared to how confident they seem. They're in the same position as governments. All governments are horribly inefficient, but they don't realize it because their only competitors are other governments.

Come to think of it, this may be changing. Now that startups are so cheap to run, companies rejected by VCs are increasingly likely to survive to embarrass them.


Do you know of any companies you haven't accepted into YC that have been particularly successful?


Here's one that was successful, though not in the traditional sense: Damien Katz applied to YC with his Couch DB idea and got rejected (http://damienkatz.net/2006/11/how_not_to_pitc.html), but now he works for IBM and gets to do CouchDB full-time (http://damienkatz.net/2008/01/new_gig.html).


" Damien Katz applied to YC with his Couch DB idea and got rejected (http://damienkatz.net/2006/11/how_not_to_pitc.html), "

His blog entry on the YC rejection is dated 11th January 2006. The one on the IBM job is dated 1st january 2008.

So Damien essentially took the rejection in his stride, didn't bother whining, and kept on hacking.

Very impressive.


I don't know of any offhand, but I bet there are some.


I'm glad they are humble enough to provide that information.

What do you think of the idea that companies that are cheap to run may face stiffer competition and thus never really gain a large chunk of the market, thereby never making it "astronomically" big.

At one point the network effect will come into play as well as consolidations down the line but it's an interesting thought.


an oldie but a goodie.

you gotta love this entry:

Cowan’s college friend rented her garage to Sergey and Larry for their first year. In 1999 and 2000 she tried to introduce Cowan to “these two really smart Stanford students writing a search engine”. Students? A new search engine? In the most important moment ever for Bessemer’s anti-portfolio, Cowan asked her, “How can I get out of this house without going anywhere near your garage?”


Article about other missed VC opportunities: http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2004/11/08/nothing_v...

The VC arm of Allstate Insurance passed up 20% of Microsoft for $8 million. Ouch.


The funny thing is that with 20% investments come board seats (usually). With board seats come influence. Influence affects outcome.

It is completely possible that had any of these VCs actually put money into these missed investments, that the "investments" could have taken an entirely different (where different == bad) path.

The end outcome of a startup is often the result of several key variables. Change any one variable, and so changes the outcome.


Allstate Insurance had/has a VC arm? What on earth.....


Struck me as a bit of the tactics mentioned in No Logo. (anti-portfolio=anti-marketing) But I'm young, and still a tad too stupid I'm certain... :)

It's all very nuts though, and I agree the world is starved for honesty. Honesty, how do we become more honest when we might even be lying to ourselves?...


transparency


Makes me wonder - is it all luck at some level? After the fact one can look and see - what made all the successes successful? What attributes do they all share? Is it only that they succeeded?


I don't think it's 100% luck. Larry and Sergey liked working on search engines and said "hey, let's make a company". It turned out that other people liked their search engine too, so they made money.

If you have the same passion for something else, that's only half the battle. The other half is making sure your passion aligns with the passion of people willing to give you money. I've come up with a few good ideas in my life that I'd love to do as my "real job", but I know nobody else would be interested. That is why I am not a millionaire :)

Of course, the luck is being able to predict what people will want.


They were lucky they happened upon an algorithm as smart as they did.

They were lucky to get initial funding.

They were lucky to find a great income model.

They were lucky that nobody else took search serious.


Luck is when opportunity meets preparation


I hear what you are saying - I'm just thinking luck is the multiplier - ebay, google, etc - how many other search engines aren't as successful? how many ebays does no one know about? I guess luck is timing to some degree - but its also plain luck. All of the monday morning quarterbacking that goes on seems obvious in retrospect, but the future is still completely uncertain. VC's expect 1 in 10 to fail b/c thats just historically what has happened. If they knew what made the 1 hit they wouldn't fund the 9 losers. I'm just saying, really nothing new I guess, that the business of predicting the future by looking at the past is colored by confirmation bias. What characteristic do all self made men have in common? They took alot of risk. However, thats also the same trait incarcerated bank-robbers have in common. I'm just saying prediction is impossible.

By all means do what you love b/c if it crashes and burns at least you won't have hated the last 2 years of your life.


It would be even better if you were able to share your passion with others and then capitalize on that ensuing demand.

It seems Google may have reached that point when every one of their new products is praised and lauded - they make the market where none existed yet.


Sometimes it's about staying in the game long enough to get your first deal. And I quote, "10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name." - Linkin Park

Corny but applicable. :)


Very corny, but it is by Fort Minor which I think has one of the dudes form Linkin Park.


I think we're all hoping one day we'll have a similar story. I know I am... :)


Is it me, or is the site down?





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