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> Gold 'works' as well as it does because there's at least something tying it down to market fundamentals. You can make jewelry out of it, you can coat electrical contacts with it.

In the earlier phases of Gold as a store of value I'd agree that it having additional uses were a bonus but now when an institution be it private or governmental purchases millions of gold as assets for a SoV then this usage is inconsequential.

Gold used to be volatile but now is a stable store of value, it retains this because the market decides a fair price, gold can theoretically go to zero, it's just had hundreds of years to achieve a more stable price/value.

> since the value people ascribe to a Bitcoin is entirely psychological

This is totally true of gold too, it's just embedded more into society as an element that has value.

> A Bitcoin that could be used as a currency would have some inherent value, because being able to use something as currency is valuable

It's cheaper and faster for me to send BTC between US/EU, volatility is an issue of course.

> Something has to be at least a little useful (or else backed up by a trusted organization) for its value to be reliable.

I'm not sure many of the 'trusted' organizations are that trustworthy, look at the 2007 crash, massively over leveraged assets with complex rules/instruments and collusion (that resulted in the UK with no one being prosecuted).

There a few ways where I see BTC having an advantage as a SoV over gold.

* Portability (transferring any amount of BTC is limited only by transaction cost).

* Scarcity (The number of BTC is capped at 21 million ever on the network, gold will still be found and mined).

* Divisible (BTC can be divided to small amounts that would make it more useful for smaller purchases where gold is not practicable).




>In the earlier phases of Gold as a store of value I'd agree that it having additional uses were a bonus but now when an institution be it private or governmental purchases millions of gold as assets for a SoV then this usage is inconsequential.

Nearly 70% of the demand for gold is for jewelry, electronics, and other non-financial/SoV applications. The market value of gold is dominated by its practical and aesthetic uses.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/299609/gold-demand-by-in...


Super interesting, thanks for the link!

It looks to be dropping though: https://www.economist.com/node/16536800

>The market value of gold is dominated by its practical and aesthetic uses.

Should we really consider aesthetics here? Practical use cases within technology I can totally value.


Well, 30% of the market value of gold is from financial/SoV-type use cases! That's not insignificant. Because of the psychological consensus that gold is a decent place to store value - it's been one for several thousand years, you can reasonably assume that someone's still going to take it a few decades from now - that portion of its value fluctuates substantially depending on how interested people are in a literally solid and relatively-stable physical asset. So when people are uncertain about other investment prospects, they go to gold, because it's basically one step up from stuffing cash under your mattress insofar as gold is less subject to inflation.

Crypto is ... currently, at least, not where you go if you want something with a reliable, stable value.

And yeah, I think aesthetic value counts! It's also very much a psychological thing, and it's undeniably tied into a similar "I think this is valuable because other people will see it and think it looks valuable" loop; if gold were much cheaper, we wouldn't see as much gold jewelry. But it's also genuinely one of the better metals to make jewelry out of (doesn't corrode, ductile, nobody's allergic to it) and it's quite a pretty color. It's more fickle than industrial use, sure, but it's also much less fickle than investor speculation.




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