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In Defense of CryptoKitties (medium.com/rchen8)
34 points by rchen8 on April 4, 2018 | hide | past | favorite | 17 comments



I see this kind of argument a lot. But it seems to always be missing a step when it comes to theoretical crypto innovations.

All the examples of "toys" he mentions here are also useful. That seems to be the fundamental concept of what grows.

Amazon was useful, you could buy rare books that were previously hard to find.

Ebay was useful, you could buy (and sell) niche collectibles that were previously difficult to trade.

Facebook could show you pictures of classmates and let you communicate with them.

Backrub (ie Google) could help you find information on the early poorly-indexed world wide web.

And so on.

So how are cryptokitties useful?


Indeed,

The "it's a proof concept" argument falls down when you realize that automatic contracts would be a serious bug, not a desirable feature, if applied to anything other a wholly arbitrary thingy.

And just as much, the examples are "toys" because crypto-contracts can only work on toys or rather only has it's guarantee properties for things encoded within the blockchain.

The ability to have land change hands automatically with no recourse if said land winds-up in ill-intentioned hands? If you want to trample the rights of tenants, ignore regulations on environmental protection, ignore worries about fraud, assuming all zoning ideas are ridiculous and so-forth, that would be great.

But even if you did want this stuff, it's unlikely crypto could get this because real world things already have their real world keepers because of their usefulness and few are willing to discard the actual protection such keepers have for the mis-features of crypto-contracts.

Edit: Not that I'm a fan of DRM, but it also doesn't seem like blockchains could enforce DRM, which is the primary feature that everyone trying to fence off cyberspace want.


How are baseball cards useful? How about fine art? What about virtual goods in MMORPGs? I guess my point is that enjoyment and fun is a worthy utility in and of itself.


We as engineers or tech oriented are almost too functionally focused and miss the emotional aspects. There is emotional value in all the mentioned goods, mostly in niche groups.


Sure. Games and toys are a category of products and services.

The premise of this article however is that things that look like toys are often actually not just toys, but "important" innovations.

To point out that there are toys that look like toys is less insightful.


cryptokitties are digital assets that can live on any digital platform like a mobile phone app as an AR filter or inside your favorite video game as a character or a pet for your character. cryptokitties are digital assets that people own. if that isn't important to you, you can't see the future.


> So how are cryptokitties useful?

For example, they showed that a real-world application instantly cripples the "global distributed decentralized infinitely scalable" blockchain (was it Etherium?).

And it had a fraction of traffic that a real real-world application generates.


Games are useful for ushering new users on to the platform since they rely on novelty instead of network effect. Then when more people are comfortable with using dapps and on the platform, the more serious apps can come about.


Yes, good points all around. I hear similar criticisms of augmented and virtual reality as being just "toys." IMHO being a "toy" that people actually want to play with is not a bad thing at all, it's an important part of the r&d and adoption lifecycle!


I’m not sure, but I think you just tried to compare the technological platforms of VR/AR with virtual cat trading for money on existing platforms? I’m not even getting into the huge amounts of time, money, and hard work that’s gone into VR/AR, because as far as I can tell you just compared apples and bricks.


cryptokitties are unique, individually owned assets for digital platforms. how are you going to play with VR/AR without the assets that are needed to make that experience worth it? he just compared the apple tree and the apples.


Big fan of CryptoKitties and CryptoCollectibles. I collect my notes at the Awesome CryptoKitties page [1] and also started a collection of (open source) tools and public domain datasets at CryptoCopycats [2]. Have fun with the blockchain. It's serious business. The future is meow :-). [1]: https://github.com/cryptocopycats/awesome-cryptokitties [2]: https://github.com/cryptocopycats


Did he just say Meow?


The sky-high exchange rate of ETH seems to be largely based on the assumption that there will be a "Web 3.0" of Ethereum-based applications. Slim pickings so far...


I suspect their will be a decentralised 3.0 web allowing supporting the later layers of the semantic web model.

I do not think it will be Ethereum, not just because of the technology issues but also the philosophy, too much greed in the heart of it.


> What makes CryptoKitties valuable? Scarcity.

What exactly is scarce here? The picture of the Kittie is just an image, right? Can't that be displayed anywhere by anyone?


The scarce thing is being able to say "Cryptokitty #123 belongs to me". No one else can say that, and everyone will agree that you're the answer to the question "Who owns Cryptokitty #123?" or "Who owns the Cryptokitty with that specific appearance?". It's definitely a bit silly, but I still feel there's some neat allure to that. Maybe try thinking of it like owning the original piece of some fine art. Art can be photocopied, so what's the point? There's some kind of prestige in having the original, in knowing that you have a direct relationship with where it came from, and the fact that your direct relationship with it may affect others who are interested in the art.

And about the specific cat images themselves: sure, anyone can create a cat image like these, but there's a certain fun in knowing that the image was produced by a specific system and by people learning and using the rules of the system. Anyone can take a chess board and its pieces and arrange the pieces into a winning configuration, but that's missing the social significance that you get from playing a game against someone and getting the pieces into that winning position through artful play within the game's system of rules.




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