"But the ultimate purpose of music is a physiological/emotional response, something utterly subjective and that does not enrich our objective understanding of the world. In this sense, music should be considered to be an indulgence like drugs, sex or delicatessen food, in all but the delivering mechanism. Not that there is something wrong with them, but these are pleasures, not a meaningful activity."
I believe you made two strong claims in your original post, the first being that music's "purpose" is to illicit some kind of psychological effect, perhaps in the fashion of a neurostimulant, and the second was that consuming music is not a "meaningful" activity. Your conclusion is that you find it a "waste of time" to "put conscious efforts to listen to more classical music and to educate themselves about it."
Would you mind elucidating a few things for me? What is your conception of purpose? Do you mean utility, use? Like a hammer or mathematical model? If so is not deriving relaxing states from music a use or utility? Does your conception of purpose carry ethical baggage? Does that explain why you chose the contentious extremes of drugs and sex to equate with music? If so, on what grounds should others adopt your conception of purpose and meaningfulness? Are those grounds objective?
Yes, mine are empirical, and to an extent subjective. What of it?
I agree that I used only my specific definition of meaningfulness and it is a subjective one. Fair point.
I assumed that making something of value for other people is what makes life meaningful. Making and shipping a product, supporting a family, writing poetry and producing music, doing research and participating in constructive discussions is meaningful for me. I assumed that some readers here share these values to some extent.
I didn't tell people what to do. I shared my view and am genuinely interested in your view on the subject. I tend to think that is why we are all here.
I completely agree with your conception of meaningfulness. I too value spending time with family, making and shipping products, writing poetry and producing music. For me, listening to music is a meaningful experience as well, because unlike drugs and sex, the creation--and consumption--of music is an intellectual endeavor. If you've ever studied music theory, music has structure and logic, just like poetry, and just like architecture. It needs to balance. It needs to make sense not only melodically, but also harmonically. Composers suffer, innovate, and triumph as much as artists in any other profession, and it's inspirational to listen to their products when you know, say, that Beethoven wrote a particular piece while grappling with the anguish of going deaf. That's beautiful. It's inspiring. It's an example that someone can overcome a disability to create some of the most meaningful and inspirational art ever conceived.
The way I see it is that we appreciate order, structure, logic, symmetry, yes? This is true for painting, drama, computing, nearly all art. I don't see why you make an exception for music. Maybe it's because it doesn't contain spoken language, or because it is abstract. I submit that any beauty you can derive from architecture, sculpture or industrial design, you can derive from music as well, for all of the reasons relating to the qualities I've outlined. The only difference, as you aptly put in your comparison to drugs and sex, is the "delivery mechanism" of the artistic content. Thus, I cannot see a reason to discriminate and single out listening to music as a waste of time.
I think that if more people appreciated the complexity and richness of classical music, chances are they would forgo other what I call cheap products in our world: bubblegum pop music, underdeveloped political arguments, and terribly unusable technology. Good music is on your side of intellectual achievement. Listening to and understanding good music is the mark of high artistic and intellectual standards, a good, positive willingness to explore and expand one's aesthetic horizons. I think the PRODUCT of this attitude, is far from, as you say, some kind of negative counterproductiveness, where time spent listening to music is time not spent doing science. The product of this kind of attitude is a high standard of achievement that is completely compatible with doing great science with passion and dedication. At least that's my view.
I believe you made two strong claims in your original post, the first being that music's "purpose" is to illicit some kind of psychological effect, perhaps in the fashion of a neurostimulant, and the second was that consuming music is not a "meaningful" activity. Your conclusion is that you find it a "waste of time" to "put conscious efforts to listen to more classical music and to educate themselves about it."
Would you mind elucidating a few things for me? What is your conception of purpose? Do you mean utility, use? Like a hammer or mathematical model? If so is not deriving relaxing states from music a use or utility? Does your conception of purpose carry ethical baggage? Does that explain why you chose the contentious extremes of drugs and sex to equate with music? If so, on what grounds should others adopt your conception of purpose and meaningfulness? Are those grounds objective?
Yes, mine are empirical, and to an extent subjective. What of it?