> Consciousness is the observation of your self. There is only one system that can make that observation, you.
Thanks, I guess that's exactly the point I wanted to make, but couldn't. Therefore there cannot be an objective measure of consciousness itself, as for objectiveness you need more than one observer. Of course you can measure properties we think are associated with consciousness.
> Intelligence is hard to measure, but I can objectively say what is and what isn't intelligent. It is not the same kind of subjectivity.
Via IQ tests?
> And in general, your table idea, that only works for systems that can be in a limited amount of states. You cannot do it for an intelligence test, especially not if I get to redesign the test after you finished your table, same for consciousness.
You're right you could beat my table by designing a test which is not tabulated. But, when I use a neural network instead of a table I might be able to score a high IQ, even though the network never has seen the test you designed as shown here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.01692. I wouldn't call such a network intelligent.
Just the fact that you recognize an IQ test as such, allows me to mark you as intelligent. Very objective. The actual score, sure that is much more subjective.
> when I use a neural network instead of a table
That really depends on the degrees of freedom. Which are unlimited for IQ tests. First I could change things that have nothing to do with the test itself. Like reverse the A, B, C, D order, or put them on the left. Or simply device a never seen before kind of test, instead varying only the geometric shapes.
Thanks, I guess that's exactly the point I wanted to make, but couldn't. Therefore there cannot be an objective measure of consciousness itself, as for objectiveness you need more than one observer. Of course you can measure properties we think are associated with consciousness.
> Intelligence is hard to measure, but I can objectively say what is and what isn't intelligent. It is not the same kind of subjectivity.
Via IQ tests?
> And in general, your table idea, that only works for systems that can be in a limited amount of states. You cannot do it for an intelligence test, especially not if I get to redesign the test after you finished your table, same for consciousness.
You're right you could beat my table by designing a test which is not tabulated. But, when I use a neural network instead of a table I might be able to score a high IQ, even though the network never has seen the test you designed as shown here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.01692. I wouldn't call such a network intelligent.