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Unfortunately, no one can be told what homelessness is. You have to feel it for yourself.

It's like putting on heavy weights and thick glasses because you want to know how it is to be old.

The worst part is the psychological one, imho. He can go home. All bills paid, cosy warm room, roof over his head. But to know that you "failed in life", can't provide for yourself like so many others, have nowhere to go... I guess that's the real homelessness.

I recently experienced not getting paid for several months. It's quite interesting what this does to your head.




"But still you'll never get it right, cos when you're laid in bed at night, watching roaches climb the wall, if you call your Dad he could stop it all."

However, I guess it's not either or but a spectrum - although never completely homeless, I'm sure he felt more homeless than usual.


> more homeless than usual.

This is what going on vacation is, or camping out.

Pulp got it spot on, a very fine choice of lyric there... it hit the mark and hit it hard.

I've been homeless. It's an integral part of my identity that during my youth my life led me onto the streets for almost 2 years (inc 2 winters).

When I put myself on the street I had options. It was an escape route from a family environment I wish on no-one. But I had options. I could've still called people up, I could've still gone to another family member somewhere else.

Over time though, the options narrow. You've already lost possessions, wealth, means, but then you lose even the view that you could reach out to anyone.

There really is a trip-wire beyond which hopelessness exists.

If you think you're experiencing homelessness just by sleeping in a cheap sleeping bag and not carrying your debit card, think again.

Get rid of the phone, burn your bridges, discard your possessions... dig a hole so cavernous that getting out is to climb a mountain, and don't leave yourself with an escape ladder or means to call for help.

Only when your options are so few and so tenuous that they barely exist, only when you are so focused on your next meal and where you'll be warm and safe that night, only then with nothing at all to help you will you feel what the homeless feel.

And as for Pulp, Common People captured something that exists in that desolate state. The fact that with everything gone, so too are the cares and caution. It is possible to be happy on the street, it is possible for it to be liberating to not have any options... in my view options were also constraints, things that prevent you from doing something else. You don't get the courage to attack new things if there's an easier option, without options attacking the hard things is all that is left.


So if you lost the idea that you could reach out to someone, what got you out of homelessness?


Tenacity and creating opportunities out of little and slowly growing self-belief. The latter part is really important and isn't really something anyone gives you.

I don't want to repeat myself so you can check the longer post I made on it through the link here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1201098


Great post. I appreciate your honesty in how the fear of ending up back there dominates your thinking. I don't think there is such a thing as security; we all could end up there, given the right situation, no matter how much money, property, etc. we have. And not taking risks isn't so bad; if one is content to not be I-don't-have-to-work wealthy, it reduces the amount of risks one needs to take. And if it's any encouragement, you sound mighty resourceful, so I think you'll thrive in any environment.

I did want to ask a followup about being homeless. You clearly did not want to be homeless. In my (U.S.) city, there are a lot of options for people who don't want to be homeless, and most of them are not out on the streets. The ones who are, are mostly there because they are happy with the lifestyle and have no desire to stop being homeless. At least, that's my understanding, based on articles like this one and people I've talked to. Would you say this is a correct view based on your experiences?


Of the people I met on the streets, only the very long-term homeless who did not have major mental health problems preferred to stay homeless.

For those, they appreciated the simplicity of life and had acclimatised to it and also understood that to get out of it is several mountains of effort (1 to get off the street, 1 to get to the same standard as the average person in poverty, and finally another to have a good life in a lower-income bracket). Those people were able to consider all of this and actually would choose to have a good life with nothing at all and just to be at peace with their situation.

Those people are rare.

The short-term homeless (< 6 months - seasonal variation means that there are vastly more of them in the summer) I felt made up a greater proportion of those currently homeless certainly would not ever choose to stay on the streets. They had real difficulty surviving. They're also a lot less visible, the short-term homeless are very fearful and will hide away from everyone and not interact with the long-term homeless and would mostly refuse services to help them as they lived in a state of denial. These are the people most likely to end up in the most horrific circumstances, they are the most vulnerable.

The other significant tribe is the one I disclaimed in the first paragraph... those with mental health problems. You cannot underestimate the effect of being alone all the time, living in some degree of fear and being hungry and unkempt. It rots your sanity slowly, it leaves you unable to do what seem externally to be simple things. You could not give these people homes, they couldn't cope with them, but likewise they're not coping with being homeless either and their hygiene reflects this.

So to the original question, are the homeless made up of mostly people who have no desire to stop being homeless? No, not at all. It's certainly true of some, but others simply do not have the ability to make those choices, nor the courage to accept help or the mental wit to comprehend and then deal with it. Whilst there are some that will never leave the streets through choice, there are far more who will never leave the streets through lack of choice, and then a large mass who will leave and for whom being homeless is the darkest part of their life.

It's just really important to not judge the whole by those who have the confidence to engage with others, that they are doing so probably means that they are already an exception and not the norm. I clearly don't reflect the vast majority as I never let go of the smallest sliver of hope, but most have and cannot imagine tomorrow being different from today. They really need hope given to them, and the support to help them help themselves.

As much as this does dominate part of my past, I actually don't think it's one of the biggest social issues. I once met an ex-drug dealer on the street who had been in jail and raped in there. He told me of the great respect he had for real victims (of which he didn't include himself), and that he respected those able to deal with childhood sexual abuse far more than anyone else he ever encountered and found their ability to respect themselves to be overwhelming.

Me, I find the homelessness in my past a source of motivation and some shame, yet the people I have the greatest respect for aren't those who are in that situation still or break free from it, but those a notch higher. I have the greatest empathy for those not living on the streets but who instead are confined to live in poverty. Poverty is a far more widespread problem that deeply affects far more of society. Homelessness is such a small extreme, and there are outs... but there are few outs to poverty for the vast majority. If homelessness is the frying pan (small), then poverty is the bush/forest fire (enormous) and it's effects on the people goes very deep and gets passed from generation to generation.


Even without things, if you have the right attitude you know you will not be homeless for long.

I knew a guy, came to silicon valley with wife and new baby, lived in a park in a pup tent while he interviewed for jobs. We hired him. He's rich now. He always expected he would be.

His attitude meant he was never really homeless, even though his situation was pretty desperate.


I thought of Common People whilst reading that blog entry too, specifically the "everybody hates a tourist..." verse


Poverty is a state of mind.


Pithy aphorisms are the state of a thoughtless mind.


I thought it was a concise was of stating that constricting environmental factors have a way damaging one's self-esteem to the point of preventing him from clearly thinking to improve his circumstances.


That is much better put. Your original formulation did not convey that connotation.


If you've down-voted me, why not articulate why you disagree?


I would have shived him for his 4g iphone while he slept on his makeshift cardboard bed under the bridge.

I'd make the shiv from a melted 3g iphone.




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