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It's a story about a man trying to get home, and a woman staying faithful in the face of uncertainty. Anything else is reading too much into it.

That's the story as summarized in a potential entry for a 'most trite message board comment' competition of some sort. The actual story is another story. Either that or people have been doing it wrong and reading too much into it for a couple of thousand years.




https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/57886-all-great-literature-...

You wanna argue with Tolstoy?

I might refer you to TVtropes. All stories are the same eventually.


> It's a story about a man trying to get home, and a woman staying faithful in the face of uncertainty. Anything else is reading too much into it.

Of the 24 books of the Odyssey, Odysseus' famous seafaring wanderings account for just 4. Likewise, the narrative focuses on Odysseus in 20 out of the 24 books, and he is at home, on Ithaca, for 12 of them. Clearly, Odysseus trying to get home is not the main point of the story, however memorable some of his nautical adventures are.

If you ask me, the poem is about barbarism versus civilization, revenge versus justice, family, and the nature of heroism.


I agree with you, more or less. I don't think the Odyssey is a complicated story.

But that doesn't have anything to do with this article though, which I rather liked.

> You wanna argue with Tolstoy?

Tolstoy famously described Shakespeare as "insignificant" and didn't understand what all the fuss was about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lear,_Tolstoy_and_the_Fool


Tolstoy also never said the thing quoted in that goodreads page. So it's not an argument with Tolstoy to begin with.


Oh, it's a URL battle now. Sure, I'll take it.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/05/06/two-plots/


"Boy meets girl; girl gets boy into pickle; boy gets pickle into girl" --Jack Woodford on plotting.


This has a couple of advantages over the made-up Tolstoy thing:

- Jack Woodford might have actually said it

- It works (sort of) for Anna Karenina


Upon further investigation, it looks like Woodford repeated it rather than originated it. Also, he was applying it to Hollywood movie plots, and later TV plots.

In Woodford's autobiography he attributes it to H. Allen Smith: https://books.google.com/books?id=AckQU9DPMnwC&pg=PT299&dq=J...


I think that entire category of quotes is handily won by Pat Conroy:

"My mother, southern to the bone, once told me, "All southern literature can be summed up in these words: 'On the night the hogs ate Willie, Mama died when she heard what Daddy did to Sister.'"

And it's easy to attribute!

http://www.patconroy.com/articles_aba-85.php


The best canonical song (at least about country music). This is David Allan Coe.

Well, I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison And I went to pick her up in the rain But before I could get to the station in my pickup truck She got runned over by a damned old train


I'm guessing this is far as you're going to acknowledge 'Tolstoy never said a thing Tolstoy would have never said but I claimed he did and thought was a decisive forum killshot'. :)


No, I'm just saying (back to the original point) you should castigate somebody by misinterpreting the words.

That is sloppy reasoning, and it bothers me. (As it should you)


I don't know what that means. You based some argument on a made-up quote. That argument can't be right, can it?

Edit: I'll summarize the arguments you've made so far and the obvious objections.

- The Odyssey is a trivial story of a dude returning to his wife [Not true, 20-odd centuries of scholarship saying otherwise]

- There is a tiny number of stories all stories reduce to (possibly two), a Major Writer of a World Literature Said So [not true, and, obviously, he did not say that]

- The above idea is somehow supported by tvtropes [tvtropes is wonderful but also full of thousands of tropes rather than two]

Every single one of these things is just deeply and demonstrably wrong. The totality of your evidence is... a made-up Tolstoy quote and a country song? It's hard to tell how to even argue with this.



There just isn't any evidence Tolstoy ever said or wrote that. Nor would it make sense for someone who wrote Anna Karenina. You should read the link in my last reply. And/or Anna Karenina.


Counterexample: Waiting for Godot. Also Macbeth. And Romeo and Juliet. And all the many, many other stories not about journeys.




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