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> I bet you'd get approx. 0 noshows if you bumped salary.

I'm not sure exactly what industry the original poster was referring to, but broadly my experience has been that there are many people who are just unreliable. I worked in retail a few years ago, and it was incredible. People just don't show up, or show up so intoxicated from the night before that they're not actually capable of doing their job.

Now, as a developer, I think I can count on one hand the number of times someone has shown up too hungover to work, and I can tell you exactly (0) the number of times someone has just flat out failed to show up when they were supposed to be working.

> So don't give drug tests?

For lots of jobs that may not be an option. Operating heavy machinery puts lots of lives at risk, or it could be an insurance requirement.

> Try paying more?

Again, people are flaky. Suddenly paying someone more isn't going to make them start showing up on time.




> People just don't show up, or show up so intoxicated from the night before that they're not actually capable of doing their job... Again, people are flaky. Suddenly paying someone more isn't going to make them start showing up on time.

Anecdotally, I know several people who worked retail throughout college and showed up super hung-over basically every weekend, but who are now extremely responsible professionals in software, medicine, etc.

Again, I think salary and a sense of career prospects / something worthwhile to lose are far more important than individual proclivities or responsibility.

People know their retail jobs are bullshit, dead-end positions. There's nothing to lose and 10 more identical jobs waiting for them on the market.

> For lots of jobs that may not be an option. Operating heavy machinery puts lots of lives at risk, or it could be an insurance requirement.

Sounds like a policy (law) option to me.


> Again, people are flaky. Suddenly paying someone more isn't going to make them start showing up on time.

But in terms of initial applicants, who may not be as flaky, advertising higher starting salary may bump up the non-flakiness of people showing up for an interview.


> Again, people are flaky. Suddenly paying someone more isn't going to make them start showing up on time.

It seems to work for the highly paid developers who have had zero no-shows on your watch.

Otherwise, it appears that you're implying that developers are less flaky than other people.


>Again, people are flaky. Suddenly paying someone more isn't going to make them start showing up on time.

That's not the objective. Offering more money for the position buys you a better chance of finding someone reliable.


Right, people can be flaky, and those that are flaky will continue to be flaky, regardless of the amount paid. But paying more can attract more of the people who aren't flaky.

Those who are good employees are already employed, and probably at a decent compensation level. Whenever this topic comes up, I always ask, "What compelling reason are you giving for people to come work for you?" I never get a satisfactory answer, usually because the people know that they have nothing compelling over the next job.


When you pay low wages, you can only attract workers who have no better options.

Pay better, and higher quality workers will be applying for your position.




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