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Apple aren't a monopoly, they aren't a problem in the way Facebook and Google are.



Google has a natural monopoly. I am a big supporter of penalties for monopoly abuse but not all monopolies are bad. They do all need thorough oversight and regulation. But having a monopoly is not strictly bad. The illegal actions done to maintain them are strictly bad. They should be allowed to come and go as the markets demand.


A "natural monopoly" is something like the water or sewage or electricity provider where is isn't sensible to physically run more than one set of pipes into everyone's house. That dynamic doesn't apply at all to search engines.


Monopolies that are allowed to exist (e.g. last mile telecom, utilities) are usually very tightly regulated. Probably to the extent that Google would prefer to be broken up instead.


I'm not sure you could break Google up in a meaningful way without destroying it. Considering the majority of their revenue is search how could you divide up search?


Not destroying it would not actually be the goal. Breaking it up could mean, for instance, splitting one search engine into two.


> Apple aren't a monopoly

I'm not sure that's the case; Apple isn't as dominant in share of any intuitively-described market as, say, Google and search ads, but a more relevant test for monopoly is pricing power, and I wouldn't be surprised if they in fact have that for some of their products/services.


Which? What product do they not have an abundance of competition in? I mean they have the minority market share in every category.


Pricing power isn't defined by descriptive categories, it is defined by behavior (whether they can increase prices without sales moving to competitors.)

It's a test that exists because there are an infinite number of ways to construct named categories of products, which can create any appearance you want, but none of them tell you if things in that category are genuinely competing with each other.


The person I was responding to wasn't talking about pricing power, they were talking about monopolies. Apple isn't anywhere near a monopoly in any commodity or service. In fact, they compete with the near monopolies of Microsoft and Google.

Also, being a monopoly isn't in and of itself illegal, it's abusing your monopoly position to harm competition. You have to be a monopoly first.


Pricing power is a test for whether a monopoly exists; it tests for actual practical competition rather than the presence of other participants in a decriptive category which may not actually compete in practice.


It may be a test but having pricing power doesn't mean they're a monopoly. They have pricing power because they deliver more consumer surplus in their products than what they capture. Even in the case of the iPhone business having rising ASPs most of that has come from segmentation of the customer base into higher end models rather than simple price increases.

You don't need to have a monopoly to have pricing power, your product just needs to be differentiated enough.


More to the point, using the category "iOS app distribution" pretty clearly leads to the conclusion that Apple has pricing power there.


Apple doesn't set prices for the apps they distribute except for their own apps. The developers do.


That's not the price of distribution. The price of distribution is Apple's cut.


Can developers sell you iphone software without Apple in the middle?


Not easily, but they certainly can sell Android software.


You don’t get to redefine monopoly to fit your argument.


huh? Facebook and Google are monopolies?


They aren't, but they are definitely dragging adoption of progressive web apps behind.




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