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Salmon Protocol (wikipedia.org)
63 points by petethomas on Sept 15, 2017 | hide | past | favorite | 27 comments



At the risk of stating the obvious, it's not a salmon on their logo - http://www.salmon-protocol.org/_/rsrc/1472778652703/config/c...


Its not so far off a stylised version? I mean, kind of round head, two eyes, two sets of side fins, a dorsal fin and tail.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNj0l0rVEAAdj2q.png


The logo looks very much like a koi fish to me, though I'm not sure I could articulate why.

Though I think the color makes it salmon-y enough to pass muster.


This is also one of the protocols behind Mastodon, which talks to OStatus instances.


I just went to check out Mastadon and learned it calls posts "toots".

To me, that means "farts".

That's going to be a struggle.


Though OStatus is going away[0] (eventually) in favour of ActivityPub.

[0]: https://hackernoon.com/mastodon-and-the-w3c-f75f376f422


ActivityPub is in. It is almost certainly the path forwards for Mastodon.

https://hackernoon.com/mastodon-and-the-w3c-f75f376f422


Practically speaking, this doesn't seem tremendously useful an idea. Global comment threads are most often a universally repulsive mix of incompatible opinions (case in point: YouTube.) I'll never allow comments on my blog, for instance, because I want to encourage discussions on fora where like-minded (or at least matched intellect) individuals can have a constructive discussion, as happens here on HN.

What would be useful, I think, would be a standard that openly links content to where it is being discussed. I think this would lead to a great surge in discoverability, in terms of both content and communities.


"Echo chamber"? Maybe if we couldn't split into filter bubbles, we'd be forced to figure out how to talk to people unlike us over the long run.


I wouldn't describe HN as an echo chamber. It has elements, of course, but the quality of discourse here is really quite high and respectful. I actually read HN; I don't read YouTube comments, and I wouldn't even if that's all there was.


I love the name, the salmon jumps upstream.


And always returns to its origin, no matter how far away


One of the things that people have against e-mail is it's reliance on base64. Then I see this protocol that just encodes content with base64. It baffles me.

Am I missing something?


What do people have against base 64? Just the encoding inefficiency?


That and you can't read the plain text without first running it through a decoder I think.


More generally - wrapping the actual content in an encoded envelope was a horrible awful design that was actively hostile to anyone interested in working with the protocol.

What it grants is the ability to sign any content. Which is a pretty important friction point to get past. But I still really don't like it.


This sounds like a nightmare. Every time I see the comments on the internet at large I feel homesick for HN.


So... The Salmon of Doubt?


Seems like this would be fantastic if we could get more news aggregator sites onboard...


I'm not convinced this would be a good thing. Some of the sites I post on, I do so because of the community.

Imagine Hacker News and Reddit both implementing this, and Reddit commentary leaking here.


You should be able to ignore them. For example, I use reddit comments on youtube. I can filter them by subreddit or rollback to youtube if I want to.


For some of the smaller, focused subs, that could actually be great. r/programming less so, I'll grant.


Exactly. The signal/noise ratio would drop as camps warred each other on the threads.


RSS and something like this and we can do without social behemoths.


As per the article, Salmon was usually a <link rel="salmon" href="..."> inside an RSS feed.

The real twist is that it was all created as a set of standard, open social protocols to power a social behemoths new product- Google Buzz.


I remember something like this around the 2000's or maybe early 90s. I think it was a browser bar. Of course it was centralized, but the idea was there.


Doesn't this kind of fall in line with with a previous discussion? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15244596




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