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The benefits of cooperation can't be modeled so simplistically, since the concepts of both long-term reputation and long-term retribution need to be taken into account.



The iterated game (which they studied here) accounts for retribution, but not reputation.


The iterated game...

The iterated game proves the participants are randomly selecting an option, because they know it's a game.

Otherwise we need to create a model that explains why participants aren't consistent.


You don't need any model to explain inconsistency. People are not consistent because they are learning the rules and results of the game as they play. The players' first move might be somewhat random, but every subsequent move is based upon their previous experiences with the game. That is why you do these things iteratively.


Sometimes I wish life was just like that Black Mirror episode with reputation scores for everybody. Nobody wants to cooperate because there is hardly any long term reputation to worry about when interacting with most people (ie cutting off that car in the highway, being rude to that stranger next to you)


There are reputation scores for everyone: net worth and credit score. ;p


A good reputation score would start out at +/- 0 and not punish you for being the lone righteous guy in an otherwise immoral neighborhood.


It does, no one really has a net worth one way or another when they are a child.

Define righteous? Define immoral?

Capitalism rewards providing actual value to people. It doesn't reward shallow niceties and self-righteousness, those are common.


> Define righteous? Define immoral?

The point here was that credit scores do not only rate your own behavior, but also those of people around you. If your neighborhood is bad, your credit score might reflect that instead of your own performance as a debtor. And if your neighborhood becomes hip and gains a better reputation, your credit score might improve even though you're still the same person.


Could you send me something reflecting why you think credit scores are based on the neighborhood in which you reside?


I live in Germany, where the zip code is a strong factor into the credit score. Source e.g. https://www.welt.de/finanzen/verbraucher/article13255357/Wer...


Thank you. Yes, I agree, that's pretty unfair.


Capitalism sometimes rewards those who provide value, but more often than not has no problem rewarding people for spouting self-righteousness.

If you think that everyone who gets rewarded in a capitalist society do so because they provide value then you have to ask: What value do scam artists provide?


Depends on the scam.

I don't know any rich scam artists. I do know hundreds of wealthy technology professionals, however.


> no one really has a net worth one way or another when they are a child.

The net worth of one's parents makes quite a difference in practice.

That includes things like being born with a right of residence in a developed, stable country vs. in a refugee camp in a war-torn part of the world.


Society, and even biology, has invented all sorts of mechanism to reward/punish you for actions. The emotion of shame, for example, is a strong incentive to behave as expected, even among strangers. Shame (and pride) are probably evolutionary adaptions to make the connection between an action and the resulting change in your reputation more immediate.

On the other end of the scale, criminal law punishes you for large transgressions, and sometimes prizes reward you for good deeds (although the latter is mostly achieved via market mechanisms).

Both criminal law and awards also work via reputation, by publicising your actions to a wide audience.

It's also interesting to contrast the discussion in this threat to any number of HN threats on freedom of speech in the last weeks. There, the idea that someone's reputation could be tarnished by their participation in a neo-nazi torch parade was generally considered to be the end of freedom.




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